Worth

by joelbear 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Following up on my self esteem thread, I have been doing some thinking about worth and self worth and what makes people worth something.

    How do you define worth?

    Everybody's worth can be defined monetarily by how many assets he/she owns but those are not the person's worth, they are they worth of what they own.

    To the world in general, each individual is not worth much. I would say that the amount of worth is infinitesimal when put up against 6 billion humans (not counting the trillions of other living entities alive at any one point in time) and then also put up against all the humans that have ever lived.

    Its hard to compare your worth to Einstein, Newton, Salk and a handful of others whose lives have actually shifted the human experience positively. But even then, you could argue that positive human gains are offset by the harm they do to other living entities.

    So, our worth to the living universe as a whole, even if we accomplish great deeds of science, philanthropy or art is still quite tiny.

    So, then, the best most of us can hope for is to be worth something to a small fraction of the living universe.

    But then, this leads to the question, are we worth anything if we are not worth anything to anyone else. If so, what is the basis of measurement? If not, how does one live with the deduction of self worthlessness?

  • Leander
    Leander

    Worth is relative. Some people judge worth on what a person accomplishes during their lives. (scholastic endeavors, raising children, contributions to society) On the other hand some people may assign a measure of worth to how a person deals with others. For example we all know of people who always strive to be positive and uplifting to others. This type of worth can be just as signficant as a person who discovers a cure for cancer.

    From a human standpoint its almost impossible to set a standard of what can be defined as worthy or unworthy. I think that if each individual strives to do their best at whatever their doing and practice showing respect for others then they automatically have a certain amout on worth.

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Leander,

    I appreciate your thoughts. I notice that all of your measures of worth include how our lives affect others lives.

  • msil
    msil

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  • Mommie Dark
    Mommie Dark

    Joel, I've been battling that feeling of worthlessness all my life. As a very small child I was convinced by JWdom that my every inclination was sinful, that my desire to nurture and use my talents was selfish, sinful, and entirely worthless. Since my ONLY gifts were in the arts, and I was taught that art is pointless except in service of the WT, I learned to feel ashamed of needing to sing, to write, of wanting to act and produce theatrically.

    It's been a lifelong process trying to undo those guilts and shames. I still can't let myself call writing 'work' although the process manifestly IS hard work; my gut still insists it's dilettantism at its worst and emotional gridlock sets in. I've learned not to try to force 'growth' on my scared inner child, hoping that someday it will get over those slaps and be happy to be itself.

    Lately I've begun to think you can't measure your worth by deeds. You can't measure your worth relative to that of others. Does a flower compare itself to the other blossoms? I was sitting in the schoolyard watching my son play; it was a gorgeous sunny day and the trees were clothed in shades of rosy gold. It was windy and showers of leaves swirled in every gust. They carpeted the playground with the scent of their sweet decay. I sat grooving on the leaves underfoot. Each one was a miniature marvel, delicately veined, tiny jewels of mixed color. Did one leaf compare itself to another? Did the brown-edged bug-nibbled ones sigh that they were not so fine as the perfect ones the little girls were excitedly collecting? Did the golden ones feel jealous of their scarlet companions? Did the small curled ones feel inferior to the broad flat ones? Did the ones already on the ground feel inferior to their stronger more determined brothers still in the branches?

    The leaves swirled in spiral vortices, carried by dust devils bouncing off the school walls. They made a glorious shouting clatter against the voice of the wind that carried them, heedless, across the lawns. Each little insignificant leaf was self-contained, beautiful in its own way, complete unto itself. Each leaf was necessary to the life of the tree from which it fell, and each was fulfilling its function by drying up and falling to the ground. In death serene, those leaves will decay into springy loam that cushions the heedless feet of playing children in future seasons, beneath yet more cycles of new leaves.

    As they lie rotting underfoot, do leaves worry about their relative place on the branch pecking order? Do the biggest leaves from the top branches get special dispensation from rot? Do the leaves that get pressed into books or ironed into wax paper tombs feel superior to the ones that make compost?

    We're the leaves on a very big tree Joel. As individuals, we're precious, unique, and no better or worse than any other leaf. We live, we fulfill our function as parts of the whole, and then we die, and rot, and thus nourish the tree of life. If we can just 'be' the unique individual we were born to be, we have fulfilled our function. Comparison is fruitless. Pointless. Meaningless.

    Hear that wind? It's the cycle of life, swirling all around you. We can't change where it blows us so we might as well enjoy the scenery while riding it to the common inevitability.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Joel

    I guess i look at individual worth from a spiritual angle. Jesus said he was god and his opposers were gods. While that may not be accurate, what seems true is that we are all a chip off the old block, so to speak, ie we all have that divine spark or spark of the divine. It just becomes veiled underneath a bunch of crap. Through meditation or other spiritual exercises we can see that divine part again. To take it a bit further, my theory is that: 'god' is spirit is life, therefore life is spirit is 'god'.

    The wt/bible conditional divine love is totally wrong.

  • GinnyTosken
    GinnyTosken

    Worth is the measure of how much something is valued.

    My treasures may be your trash and vice versa.

    Several years ago, when I was emerging from the JW world and struggling with depression, I read in a book about an exercise in living eulogies. The book suggested you gather several close friends and ask them to write down three things they treasure about you. You do the same for them and exchange the notes.

    The exercise surprised me very much. Some of the qualities that endeared me to my friends I had viewed as weaknesses or failings. Other qualities were so spontaneous that I was not even aware of them. One friend wrote, "She has capable hands."

    Mommie Dark's words are very wise. We are individuals yet all life is interdependent. As a JW, I judged my worth based almost entirely on what I was able to do for others. If I felt tired and sad and needed to withdraw into quiet contemplation, I felt guilty and worthless. I now respect sad and stormy times as part of the cycle of life. I accept them as I do the changing of seasons and the phases of the moon.

    Trust yourself, Joelbear. Listen to yourself and allow yourself to be needy. It is difficult, I know. I still struggle with asking for help and admitting that I sometimes crave to crawl onto the lap of someone wiser and stronger than me, to have a good cry, to have this person stroke my hair and comfort me with, "There, there. It will be all right. It will be all right. You just rest for awhile."

    Many of us here value you. I hope you learn to value yourself. The Norwegians have a lovely phrase: Takk for at du finnes til.Thank you for being.

    Ginny

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Mommie Dark,

    Your response was wonderful. Leaves make a great allegory.

    Have you read my lifeism page. The more I reanalyze my evaluations of life, the more I think I am on the right track.

    Trust is indeed a key ingredient. Trust of self.

    I have feelings, I have thoughts, I have ideas. Can I trust myself enough to let them flow out of me?

    Great exchange. I appreciate all of your efforts and thoughts.

    Joel

  • larc
    larc

    Joel,

    I suppose you could use any of these external criteria of worth it you choose to. It would be nice to make an important contribution to society. It woulbe nice to be loved and admired by a host of others. It would be nice to be a large factor in the universe. All of this has nothing whatsoever to do with feelings of self worth, which is the issue you brought up on the other thread. Self worth comes from within. It does not have to be other directed and scream for acknowlegement from the outside world. Self worth is something you can simply decide to have. The more one learns over time to like themselves, the less they are driven by the vissisitudes of the the external world. Self worth should be a constant in one's life, not driven by personal sucess or failure, lack of friends or an abundance of them.

    Now, Joel do 25 push ups, you have been a bad boy. (If you believe that last sentence, nothing I said before sunk in.)

  • larc
    larc

    Joel,

    One other thought. On another thread you expressed your concern about living and "empty" life whatever that is. I will garantee you one thing. The more you sit around worrying about your worth the more empty your life will be. Paradoxicaly, the less you worry about self worth, the more full life will become. Why? Because you won't be wasting large amount of time in worry, self doubt and the resulting inaction caused by such thoughts.

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