How does WT treat illegal Mexican immigrant JWs? (page 2)

jefferywhat

Oh the sweet inconsistency!!

If you breach a theocratic law and live out of the territory, you dont qualify as an appointed man.......

If you breach Caesars law and live in the wrong country its "ok", just dont ask..........

Anyone remember the "choose your own adventure novels"? they got the idea from the WBTS!!!

4mylove

Knock Knock,

Excellent point!!! I never would have thought of that! You do pledge allegiance to the US. Hmm, yet another lie for them by just mouthing the words. I guess the poor souls in Malawi had no way of mouthing allegiance.

Bastards!!!!!!!

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skeeter1

Yes, if anyone has the letter...please post a copy.

(I have an elderly male relative who has been approached by a much younger Mexican sister. The Mexican sister can't be a full-fledged pioneer (so NVR's comment appears valid). The Mexican sister has asked my elderly relative for a lesson in how to change a car's oil (a dipstick lesson....a lube job....LOL) & invited him on a trip with her!) I need as much proof as possible to convince this elderly relative that this Mexican senorita is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

onacruse

The BOE letter (re: immigration) specifically references this article in the WT (which I can post! LOL):

*** w73 1/15 pp. 62-63 Questions From Readers ***
? Without compromising one’s position as a Christian, can one take a ‘loyalty oath’?—U.S.A.
Whether a Christian can conscientiously take a certain oath or not depends primarily on the purpose, content or nature of the oath.
Back in the first century C.E., Jesus Christ corrected the Jews for making light, loose and indiscriminate oaths. They swore by heaven, by the earth, by Jerusalem and even by their own heads. But Jesus reproved them, saying: "Just let your word Yes mean Yes, and your No, No; for what is in excess of these is from the wicked one." (Matt. 5:33-37) A worshiper of God should not need to back up every statement by an oath in order to make it more believable.
Under certain circumstances, however, the Mosaic law required oaths. (Ex. 22:10, 11; Num. 5:21, 22; Deut. 21:1-9) And Jesus himself did not object to being put under oath by the Jewish high priest. (Matt. 26:63, 64) So Jesus’ statement about swearing cannot be used as a basis for condemning all oaths. But what kind of oaths may a Christian take without injuring his conscience?
This he must determine for himself by comparing the oath in question with Bible principles. Jesus Christ stated: ‘Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.’ (Matt. 22:21) Hence a Christian could not swear to anything that would require him to do things that are contrary to God’s law. But there would be no objection to his taking an oath to ‘uphold or defend’ the provisions of the law that do not stand in opposition to God’s law. The Christian recognizes that his defense and support of Caesar’s law must be within the limitations imposed by God’s Word. He can ‘defend’ the law by word, by his daily conduct and, in legal matters, by his testimony in court. Christians are told: "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities." (Rom. 13:1) So there would be nothing objectionable to swearing to do something that one is already obligated by God to do.
Many enlightened countries, though, recognize the reasonableness of the Christian’s other obligation, to ‘give to God what belongs to God.’ Thus the Constitution of the United States, as well as that of many other nations, guarantees freedom of religion. It is understood, then, that a Christian is not going to be required to do anything contrary to his religious beliefs and his obligations to God. There is no danger to the country in this provision, because true Christians do not engage in subversion; rather, they strive to be exemplary, law-abiding citizens.
Since a true Christian takes his worship and his relationship with God very seriously, he ought to give careful thought to any oath he is asked to take. He should be convinced in his own mind that the oath will not cause a violation of his conscience or compromise his neutral position as regards the political nations and their controversies. (Compare Romans 14:5.) If, after reasoning on the matter, he finds that he can take a particular oath, he will have to bear his own responsibility. He should always keep in mind his prior obligation to the Supreme Sovereign, Jehovah God, before ever putting himself under any other obligation.

MinisterAmos

We just had one Bro who was deported in a raid on the restaurant he worked at. Turns out the owner is actually a major crack dealer so the Gov rounded up everyone and deported the illegals. Two days later he was in Miami hopping a bus back here. Incidentally, known illegals are not given pvivs.

onacruse

skeeter, you have a p/m.

nvrgnbk

Thanks for that, ona.

Just as you explained it, OTWO.

Kudra

I worked at this vineyard and there was this guy, super likeable, who said once that he was a JW. He was totally an illegal. He was always getting into scrapes and fights being deported and was ALWAYS back working at the vineyard within the WEEK.

He was too funny. He had a wife and kids but was having this open affair with a housekeeper at the inn. He also wore this HUGE gold cross around his neck. I think he was just sort of clueless.

He always made us laugh. Those were the best guys to work with: fun, hard and creative workers, always taught us cool new things.

-K

fattire5010

Let's see what the official 'elder handbook', "Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All The Flock" pg 138-9 has to say about the matter, shall we

If a person approaching baptism is an
illegal alien, he
should be urged to do what he can to rectify his status
with regard to the law of the land .
(w77 3/15 pp. 191-2)

The Christian congregation today follows a course harmonious
with the Biblical pattern of the apostle's dealing
with the case of Onesimus . (Philem .
8-22)

Overseers are not to police the lives of the brothers,
nor are they obligated to become acquainted with
all the details of civil and criminal law so as to
enforce these . Just as they do not check to see if
someone's home meets every detail of the building

code, they do not investigate in order to determine
whether a person has satisfied every detail as to his
legal situation in the country before allowing him
to get baptized or to continue in the congregation .
Baptism would not be denied such a person, but he
would not be viewed as exemplary and would not be
used in any responsible position in the congregation .
The same would apply to a person who uses fraudulent
or illegal identification .
A brother who has notified the authorities of his illegal
status and filed papers to resolve his situation would not
be restricted as to representing the congregation in
prayer, sharing in teaching, or being appointed as a
pioneer, a ministerial servant, or an elder if otherwise
qualified .
Such privileges may be extended even though the
authorities do not act promptly on his request for
permission to remain in the country. He is no
longer a fugitive .

dinah

They sure investigated whether the brothers in Malawi had a party card. Maybe since Mexicans are just brown it's okay?

The Spanish congregations around here have EXPLODED in growth while the plain old english (american) congregations are pretty stagnant.

How does WT treat illegal Mexican immigrant JWs?

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