Mr. Flippers Son Gets Latest Letter from Witness Mother- He Does Not Reply

by flipper 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • JK666
    JK666

    Mr Flipper,

    She has learned well how to manipulate written information, much like the Organization that she loves. She is a classic projector. She is full of hate, and projects this on your son. I am sorry that he has been subjected to this mental abuse, even though he knows that she is under mind control. He is right that she is too far gone to be reasoned with, at least at this time.

    His mother will probably be disappointed that she will get no response, and will send him a nastygram in about 1-2 weeks. She will know she has lost control of her son and will be angry. That and it will be getting closer to the end of the month, and she will want more "time."

    JK

  • MissingLink
    MissingLink

    Freakin psycho! Scary that we all used to be like that.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Here's my take and my comments, in red. You guys know this all ready, but maybe it will help a lurker or two, an exiting Witness to learn to spot the manipulation.

    December 7th, Good morning son , I have been thinking deeply about our conversations. And I have been so saddened, to the point, I have felt so sick, way down deep inside myself. (this is how the magazine has advised her to feel. Is it right to make others responsible for your feelings?) You might wonder why I took awhile to respond. Well, I thought you wanted to venture out, and I hoped you would long for Jehovah'sthe Jehovah's Witness way of life .

    I appreciate God's word, His sacrifice of giving His only dear son for our imperfect bodies. By examining the scriptures in my reading it was foretold that Satan would use many devices to take us away from Jehovah. ( 2 Tim. 4:5 ) " there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate yeachers for themselves to have their ears tickled. " There are teachings and philosophies that could take us away too ! That could take us away Jehovah's word said. Make no mistake , Satan is oh so crafty at what he does, and if we laugh at that, then he has managed to decieve us. (how much is about God's love, and how much is about Satan? Who triumphed over the grave? Here are some counteracting doses of scripture:

    1Jo 4:18 RSV There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and he who fears is not perfected in love.

    2Ti 1:7 KJV For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. )

    I went on a Biblebook study with your sister (a regular pioneer ) (guilt. Throwing up the "good child") conducts with an elderly woman. She enjoyed learning Jehovah's name and His promises!listening to us.(so has she progressed to baptism? Or is the dear old woman merely lonely?) So are we such selfish uncaring people? (What is the connection between conducting a book study with an old woman and being unselfish and caring? Hitler brushed his teeth twice daily.) Where are God's people Jehovah's Witnesses supposed to spend their time in these frightening times? It frightens me to wonder, with your hatred for God's people, Jehovah's Witnesses, if you had the chance, would you have interrupted our study of God's wordthe magazines with this woman? (projection) Even stopping your sister and your mother from sharing His wonderful truths from the Biblethe magazines, that you so seem to hate . I am sorry son, I do love you, but hate the way you feel about our heavenly father. the Jehovah's Witnesses. I have to talk to Jehovahmy fellow congregation members and continue to tell Himthem I am so sorry for the way my son feels about Himthe organization. (icky yucky guilt trip. My mentally ill mother used this on me. When I had to confront her with some hard facts, she told me I wasn't very Christian. Is she saying she is intervening on your behalf the way that the Catholics pray for the dead? Do those continual prayers somehow rack up points in your favor? Not a very Witness-y concept. What happened to individual salvation, individual choice?) And I hope you will remember the One that gave you life, not me, but Jehovah who is the source of all life.

    Always remember those fibers that are still in you, to love, can be rekindled. (Is she saying you are lacking in love? On what basis? Frankly, in her entire rant I can't see how she can assume you do not love God in your own way, or her) You can always visit the Kingdom Hall nearby you. It doesn't cost a thing. (Except the possibility of being offered a free bible study. That is, if you pretend to be a newcomer. If they find out you have Witness roots, the fangs will come out. I see this also as an attempt to bypass Mr. Flipper). We can always make changes with the help of Jehovah . I will contact you if there is an important issue to discuss, but I will not bother you for now. (Shunned. Thanks, mom. Nice to know you think I am bird food. Isn't it interesting here, the choice of words. A former Witness would immediately pick up on the implications, but an outsider would miss it completely.) I hope that very soon I do hear from you that you have thought deeply about these things and want to return to Jehovahthe Kingdom Hall. (In other words, there is only one "right" answer. It is inconceivable that you would have thought deeply about these things and decided never to return to the Kingdom Hall). I will be there for you in a time of crisis. (Code word for "shunned") I'm not far away. (A million miles away in heart and mind)

    For now I have a job to do, go tell all about God's coming kingdom. Very soon the world governments will turn on God's people, and Jehovah shall save them like He did in Bible times. (If I were you, I'd save this to share with her when she is safely enconced in a nursing home, twenty or thirty years from now). So when you think of me, that's where I will be, at someone's door enjoying talking about a better government to come. Love you so much, Mom (now that "love" sounds so evil)

  • poppers
    poppers

    You can't un-ring a bell, and your son has heard the "bell of truth" ringing about the cult that still grips the mind of his mother. She said,

    You can always visit the Kingdom Hall nearby you. It doesn't cost a thing.

    The cost to him would be to ignore or repress what he has heard, and that would be a betrayal of his own conscience and integrity. Now that would be a sad thing indeed.

  • Saoirse
    Saoirse
    It frightens me to wonder , with your hatred for God's people , if you had the chance, would you have interrupted our study of God's word with this woman ? Even stopping your sister and your mother from sharing His wonderful truths from the Bible , that you so seem to hate .



    My goodness! It's almost as if she's implying that your son is capable of committing some violent act simply because he disagrees with her religion. Just because someone disagrees with you or your beliefs doesn't mean that they hate you or are out to persecute you. It's just sad to see someone so narrow-minded and brainwashed.

    I'm glad that you and your wife are supportive of your son but, I know how hurtful these letters can be. Please give him an extra hug from me.

  • dinah
    dinah

    Wow Mr. Flipper,

    As was pointed out a couple of posts above, that was a loaded letter. It never ceases to amaze me how they equate meeting attendance, field service and all that with love for our Creator. I have a terrible short-term memory, but I cannot remember your son saying anything bad about God in any of his letters. He was simply trying to explain why he has lost faith in a publishing company.

    The saddest part is that his mother actually believes Jehovah will kill her son for leaving the organization. My mom feels the same way. Thankfully we never talk about it, or it'd be a big mess.

    Replying to her letter wouldn't help anything since her mind (and heart) is closed. I'm truly sorry she is trying to guilt him into returning to the "fold". The GB has used guilt for a long time, apparently it works on some people. I'm so happy your son has your and Mrs. Flipper to lean on.

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    After reading the letter it appears that your son's mother is frightened about life and everything that goes along with it.

    It also is obvious that she equates hatred with any unflattering statements made about her beloved Watchtower Society.

    In her mind it appears the Watchtower Societys equals both Jehovah and all the JW's.

  • carla
    carla

    'return to jehovah'--- This one always gets me! Jw's do in fact equate the org with God, all one in the same. When you point this out to them they will blatantly deny it. Yes, I understand they will say it is God's org but still there is no denying they equate the two.

  • nelly136
    nelly136

    http://www.freeminds.org/psych/lifton.htm

    comparing the letter to liftons cult criteria shes managed to hit most of them in one foul swoop.

    sorry your son has to put up with this

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    So what do you think of this last letter

    Well Flipper reading that letter reminds me so much of what I was in the Watchtower. Tell your son from me. I dont think bothering to answer her would be of any value...If she truly is a loving person( not now) but if her heart is right,,,, I believe the Creator will open her mind. TRUE LOVE ( which your son seems to have ) throws FEAR outside.
    He is not afraid to tell of his love for her but he is NOT willing to sell himself down the river for her.
    Tell him I used to talk to MY son ( an unbeliever) just like his Mother is talking. I thank GOD that the God I now believe ( NOT JEHOVAH of the WT) allowed me to be ousted from that "ark" a few years before he died. I was able to TRULY LOVE HIM.... I was able to say I am sorry son.....
    She might just as well have been in with Jonestown ( coolaid) or Koresh ( fire) Because she isnt going to listen to him. The WT has complete hold of her mind ( Just as they did mine)
    Tell him to keep his chin up !!He has planted seeds, Let others water them.
    I admire you both for supporting him. ...... Oh the Gift that God had give us to see ourselves as others see us.
    I feel I received that gift from your ex letter .That was me!!!! in my WT days,,,,
    My daughter wont even acknowledge I am living ,when she talks to my daughter that is out she refers to me as "YOUR MOTHER, so she has completly disowned me. Thanks to the WT
    Peace
    Mouthy

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