i've had to greatly limit my exposure to my parents. the constant guilting and negative thinking will drive you insane. all they talk about are the witnesses and how many bad things are happening to all of them.
Mr. Flippers Son Gets Latest Letter from Witness Mother- He Does Not Reply
by flipper 25 Replies latest jw friends
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Wordly Andre
ok one thing I really hate about the JW's is they can never just talk, they are alway trying to push people, guilt people or scare them back. Wouldn't a normal letter from mom work more than this? just Hi son thinking about you wishing you well, I'm sure that would work more than this mind control letter that we all see right through (Book of Andre 1, 1-5) and them quoting scriptures all the freaking time GIVE IT A REST!
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AK - Jeff
I did not see 'anger' in this letter. I saw a sad case of someone who is being manipulated, trying to help someone else be manipulated also. All of it unwittingly of course.
Her accusations are poorly veiled, but typical of someone who believes they are standing on safe ground, even holy ground, while everyone else is about to perish. Not long ago, we all were held captive to the idea that 'the end is nearly here' and 'Jehovah' is the organization. Likely many of us would have sent [or perhaps did] letters of similar content and manipulative nature to any of our relatives or children that were not 'in the ark of safety'. It was all we knew, all we thought about. It was our life.
I feel great sadness for her, and the millions like her. It is not just Jehovah's Witnesses that use such manipulations. Take a look at Steve Hassan's website listing of 'cults'. The list, though not considered to be a true list of cults, but of religions that practice many of the things that cults do, is seemingly endless. My point is that there are an awfully large part of the population that live in delusional worlds like Jw's.
I think she loves her son, but knows nothing but what she has been taught. She is scared. I once had identical feelings toward my child, and toward others who had left the religion. I would reply in simple terms.
"I am not under the control of Satan, but thanks for your concern. I am not violent, nor disruptive. I only want to be respected, as you expect me to respect you. Trust me, leaving the organization called Jehovah's Witnesses behind is not the same as leaving God."
She is the one who needs the help. I don't know your son's age, so this might be out of the question, but it would be the best chance to begin a productive discussion with her if he is able. Just a thought. I wish someone would have had the ability to do that with me and saved me 40 years of living a lie.
Jeff
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flipper
Thanks for all the kind, caring, loving replies. You guys are all truly REAL friends, thanks to all !
JOURNEY- ON- It is sad his mothers love is conditional, I agree. She is definitely cult mind controlled ! But my son is doing good, is mature and understands why his mom is, as she is .
MOMZCRAZY- I will give him your love Momz ! Thanks ! I'm sure it hurts him a lot, just like it does me watching it happen. Sick.
GRETCHEN- Sherry, It does hurt me to see his mom inflict emotional pain and abuse on him like that ! In fact it makes me so mad I could-- O.K. I'll stop. But you get my point ! Simmer down boy, simmer down! Peace.
MOSHE- I hope her glass house will someday break Moshe, but she is so " cult mind controlled", it's like she is living in a " brick house ", and I don't mean the song by the same title.
SSPO- My son's stepmom and me support him totally emotionally and every other way. That is weird what your ex said that she would jump off a cliff if the governing body told her too. Creepy ! But, hey it does not surprise me !
WORLDTRAVELLER- Yeah, my sons mom is scared of death as are all witnesses. My son chose to end the debate with his mom.
FAITHFUL n DISCREET WIFE- Thanks for your kind words . His mom is trying to instill fear in him. Sick. She should have unconditional love for him but the cult stole that love away from him into his mother ! You are right, it makes me very angry because if I say something to his mom about it, she will then badmouth me to my 2 witness daughters . And I don't want to blow it with them , because I am trying to get them out of the witness cult with methods from Steve Hassan's book, " Combatting Cult Mind Control". So I am partially trying to stay in halfway good graces with my daughters so I can eventually get them out !
BENNYK- It does cost alot to be in the witnesses. Too much cost. Your sanity and family !
MEMARIO- Thanks, bud ! We love my son so much, just want him to have us to turn to !
JK- You are right bro ! She is very manipulative ! Passive aggressive too ! And a projector of her own hate onto my son ! Sick! I hope she leaves him alone for awhile. But, like you say she may come back for another round with him.
MISSING LINK- Yes. She is a psycho. That is not an overstatement. And I say that, not just because I'm her ex-husband either ! It's just the truth. Scary really.
JGNAT- Thanks for the breaking down of the letter word by word to show people how " mind manipulation " works. Good job, thanks !
POPPERS- My son does hear the " bell of truth " as you said. He is firm in his anti-witnessing and anti-cult convictions . There is no way she could ever manipulate him back to the witnesses !
SAOIRSE- I agree with you ! She made it sound like he was so hateful that he would do something violent ! His mom is the classic exaggerating person. She has always blown things up out of proportion. I'll give him an extra hug from you ! Thanks.
DINAH- Thanks Dinah! Mrs. Flipper his step-mom and me love him lots and support him totally ! We are here for him always ! Isn't it amazing that these witnesses think God will destroy 6,993,000,000 billion people and save 7,000,000 million witnesses ? Unreal ! Dumb $hits.
HONESTY- Yeah, his mother is frightened about life and death ! You are right, in her eyes the Watchtower society is God.
CARLA- You are right. They really mean " return to the Watchtower society" when they say " return to Jehovah ".
NELLY 136- I read your list on the website. Yep, sounds like she hit most of those points you brought up.
MOUTHY- I will tell my son what you said, thanks. He does love his mom, but will not sacrifice his beliefs and principles to show that love ! She is under " cult mind control ". I will tell him to keep his chin up ! Mrs. Flipper his stepmom and I will continue to support him . I'm so sorry your daughter won't acknowledge you Mouthy. My 2 daughters are doing the same to me also. So, I do know how you feel. I love you sis ! You keep your chin up too, and I promise I will do the same ! Sound like a deal ? You can always pm me or my wife, or call and talk on the phone ! Love & hugs, Peace.
JOELBEAR 69- Witness parents do try to put guilt trips on you for sure. I'm sure the witnesses these days are talking about the bad things happening to them- especially after the child abuse scandals ! Householders are probably spitting in witnesses faces these days ! I wouldn't want to be a witness going door to door right now !
WORLDY ANDRE- I agree Andre. Witnesses can't talk to an outsider without promoting guilt or they try to make any non-witness feel inadequate. But then again, the witnesses are under " cult mind control ", so what do they know, right ?
AK JEFF- I understand you did not see anger in this letter. But believe me, having lived with her for 19 years, and seen her manipulations and " pretend " caring techniques it is a passive -agressive personality you are observing here. I do like what you said that my son could say to her though. Those are very good suggestions you made. Thanks
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shell69
I'm really upset
the emotional pressure put upon your son is dreadfull. But the presure that is upon borg supporters? The brain washing to such a point that they will abbandon theyre own children? This has been done to me, with my own mother selling my child hood family home and moving away,without telling me where she was going to.
I dont get it, this has made me so sad
Peace and more peace to you all.
Shell69
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flipper
SHELL 69- I'm so sorry that happened to you my friend. It is cult mind control at it's worst . Fortunately my son is strong. He has me his dad, my wife his stepmother and a great girlfriend who loves and cares for him too ! So having a support group is very important. I hope you have some people in your life to help you at present time Shell. Please know we care for you too ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper