wow. i'm done.
Climate Change. Yes the science is settled.
by mavie 137 Replies latest social current
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BurnTheShips
Was the report signed by any dems?
The report lists 400 scientists, care to engage that? Burn
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BurnTheShips
wow. i'm done.
Yes, you are. The science is far from settled.
100 prominent International Scientists Warn UN Against Futile Climate Control: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=164002
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brinjen
Gore is a self serving idiot and his GW hype is a political ploy.
He's one persisitant man then, given the fact he has been an environmental activist for over 30 years.
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sweetstuff
I am going to send all you boys to the time out corner in a minute, 1, 2, ........
Seriously, who cares about political agendas in the face of climate change? The melting of the ice caps, the melting of greenland, that's proof enough for me, whether man made or not, we all have to be seriously concerned about what's going on with our planet and if global awareness of this issue causes more people to be conscious of their use of carbon based consumption and its effect on our planet, I'm all for it.
To suggest that humanity is not having some effect on the planet, at the very least, speeding up a process started by nature, is like being a jw and sticking your fingers in your ears and saying, nah nah nah nah nah, I can't hear you. At what point in humanity's history, prior to the last hundred years, has humanity had the resources to emit this much carbon dioxide? Hands up anyone??? To suggest that the last hundred years of us pumping out toxins into the atmosphere has had no effect is just plain acinine.
Give me a break! Deluding yourself into believing that humanity has had no impact and is therefore not responsible to make changes to ensure that future generations have a planet that will sustain life is a pretty childish, selfish and futile effort. When I left the jws, I left deluding myself behind. So I for one, will not delude myself into thinking "global warming" is just a politicial agenda put in place to scare people into voting for certain parties. Wow, if it is, they are some smart sunsabiotchs, they got the planet to go along and back them up. Nice parlour trick that is.
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BurnTheShips
Hi Sweetstuff
The melting of the ice caps, the melting of greenland, that's proof enough for me, whether man made or not, we all have to be seriously concerned about what's going on with our planet and if global awareness of this issue causes more people to be conscious of their use of carbon based consumption and its effect on our planet, I'm all for it.
That I know of, it has yet to be conclusively demonstrated that carbon emissions are harmful.
As for doing something with respect to global warming, the letter to the UN with over 100 signatories says the following, which I agree with.
The current UN focus on "fighting climate change," as illustrated in the Nov. 27 UN Development Programme's Human Development Report, is distracting governments from adapting to the threat of inevitable natural climate changes, whatever forms they may take. National and international planning for such changes is needed, with a focus on helping our most vulnerable citizens adapt to conditions that lie ahead. Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity's real and pressing problems.
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brinjen
Attempts to prevent global climate change from occurring are ultimately futile, and constitute a tragic misallocation of resources that would be better spent on humanity's real and pressing problems.
Translation: La la la I can't hear you, got me fingers in me ears....BTS, you say there is no conclusive evidence that carbon emissions are harming the planet, by that consensus there is no conclusive evidence they are not either. Yet we can feel safe that global warming isn't man made.
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sweetstuff
Burn:
Are you kidding? Do you logically believe for a moment that those emissions are not harmful? It doesn't need to be proven conclusively my dear friend, it just needs to be an plausible possibility for us to take it seriously and work on reducing our emissions. That would be like saying as a parent, well I can't prove conclusively that if my toddler climbs up that bookcase they may fall and hurt themselves so until I have conclusive proof I won't worry about them climbing up. Hello?? The possiblity is enough to warrant caution and action, correct?
The possibility that these emissions are causing at least partially the damage to the ice caps, etc. Is enough to warrant caution and action. Do you agree with that? And btw, many well known specialists would say that it is in fact the cause, many would say its not. My job as a human being isn't to find out which is right, its to look at the worst case scenario and say, if that has the possibility of being correct, then what do I need to do, to be part of the solution and not part of the problem. It's that simple really, at least IMO.
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stillajwexelder
Stilla, Newtonian mechanics is sufficiently settled for moon landings and satellite launches. It is all relative after all. ;-)
It was illustrative
I think the question becomes "Is the science sufficiently settled to become actionable on a massive scale?" I think the answer is still no.
I agree - otherwise we are4 being dogmatic - is there Global Warming. Yes - is it solely due to humans - no. Has there been warm periods in the past history of mans existence -yes
Is politics involved - YES - 'nuff said
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BurnTheShips
BTS, you say there is no conclusive evidence that carbon emissions are harming the planet, by that consensus there is no conclusive evidence they are not either. Yet we can feel safe that global warming isn't man made.
It is not a question of feeling safe. It is a question of spending trillions in resources over an issue that may not be the issue at all. The very same resources that could be used to a far greater effect in other areas. There is not enough proof to act on the scale that proponents of the human global warming proponents demand. Mars, for example, is warming also. There are other theories which also explain why the temperature in the troposphere has increased. To act on the scale they require would scrap our economies and destroy a large part of our wealth along with an attendant increase in human suffering and ecological destruction. To incorrectly ascribe global warming to human causes is counterproductive if the true goal is to protect the environment.
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