by student1 42 Replies latest jw friends
Ignore him. He is trying to embolden himself by getting you to say something negative about the WTS.
He would not do such a thing if deep down he did not already have doubts. Leave him alone and let those doubts fester in his mind until he decides to leave the WTS on his own.
If you keep talking to him you will simply embolden him with his persecution complex and force him deeper into the cult.
Greetings student1,
I'd say that, as long as he is willing to stay in contact with you, you should do your best to help him see the light. I think you need to probe the internal self-evident Watch Tower dogma which is actually weakest, the preaching work. World wide the JW ministry is a dismal failure and comes no where near the mandate set out in the scriptures that the JWs use to justify the nearness of Armageddon. The preaching work could NOT possibly be nearing completion since vast areas in the Islamic world, and most of Asia remains untouched by the "life saving" message of the Watch Tower Society. Anyone with 1/2 a brain can do the math and realize without any Apostate information that it would be a gross miscarriage of justice for ol'Jeehobie to kill billions of people who have never even met a JW let alone heard the message.
The "collective guilt" theory used by the WT Society to justify the death of these uninformed billions is without any biblical basis. It also would prove God to be a rascist with cultural prejudices bent on genocide if the Watch Tower position were true. If there is any logic left in your friends brain the simple facts about how little the Watch Tower has done to get their message to these neglected areas should at least start him thinking about the glaring contradictions within this Watch Tower dogma which may, in turn, allow him to see the other problems with the entire belief system.
The other huge logic problem the JWs have is that their over all numbers cannot keep up with the population growth. In short, the longer Jehovah postpones Armageddon the more people will actually die since it is NOT possible for just seven million JWs even preaching nonstop for 24 hours a day seven days a week to contact every single person on earth even once, let alone to start bible studies with them, before a whole new larger generation of potential converts would be born. No Apostate info needed since this is a simple math problem. Numbers don't lie.
Math alone proves the Watch Tower Armageddon just would not be possible since billions now have never heard the message and every year God waits millions more are born who would all need to be contacted. How anyone could think that the Watch Tower's Jehovah was merciful or just in starting Armageddon after running the numbers is just beyond all reason. This immense failure of the Watch Tower to reach every corner of the earth with their salvation message was one of the main lines of evidence which allowed me to see that the JW belief system was deeply flawed.
Thank you guys... I know his email about seeing my boobs was quite funny coming from someone who is attempting to preach to me!!
I have given him a lengthy reply with Liberties maths pointers... as it doesnt come accross outrightly apostate... allthough if he persists I will hit him with the facts on child abuse!!
I have taken comfort in your observations that he must be having doubts or he wouldnt need to convince me that the jw's are right!!
Thanks for all your help
xxxxxxx
Put a block on your e mail, or simply delete before opening. Nothing seems more upsetting to a JW that the denial to speak. Refusing to start a conversation has upset my JW associate to no end.
And yes, I will ask him how a perfect org is full of pedpohiles! But only if he can't keep his yap shut.
He need to get his "thorts" straight!!!
changeling
is the world getting better? no, is it getting worse? yes..
This expresses a true ignorance of history. We no longer watch people kill each other in gladiator arenas, or lock slaves in with wild animals for fun. We don't even HAVE slaves. In fact, we don't even lock ANIMALS in with animals to fight each other, that's illegal.
The average human lifespan worldwide has increased from 20-30 years to 67 years. That's a pretty loaded statement. This means that people are living longer, there are less children dying every day, there are less people dying from earthquake and pestilance and food shortages and nation rising against nation now than ever. (I'm talking percentages of course, since that's the only number that would apply to this question, naturally since there are more people there are more deaths.)
Dying of old age used to be unheard of!
It's true that humans now have the ability to destroy the world.... but they haven't used that ability yet! To say that the world is horrible because we CAN do something is asinine.
100% with what Lore said!
Frankly, anyone that can't distinguish between Orson Welles, and George Orwell, needs to spend some serious time in the local library.
If you choose to respond, then perhaps limit it to answering his questions.
i have also determind that the facebook site is a curse, whenever i click on friends from the past, they are no longer witnesses??
"Yes, it seems that many people are leaving. I've seen that just about as many leave each year as get newly baptized."
what is going on..
"I'm not sure. I can't imagine that Satan would be so successful in stumbling that many Witnesses, there must be a good reason for this."
p.s you know what you said about brainwashing... well, arnt we all living in a big brother, ORSON WELLES ESK.. society already, is the world getting better? no, is it getting worse? yes..
"There are certainly a lot of organizations and groups that want to control out thinking, yes I would agree. That's why it's important to try and be as free of them as possible. For example, I'm not sure I wouild agree that the world is getting worse - and I think it might be worthwhile to try and make the world a better place, making my own contribution."
i have also done alot of research as to why there has been a number of elders who have mismananged things, and some border hypocrisy, and often some are incorrect, also there have been governing body members who have stated armageddon would fall in 1975, as well as a number of other dates.. watchtowers directing to this also?? why i thort could this happen if it is inspired through them (the watchtower and awake)?? well.. we are all imperfect including them... new evidence is uncovered all the time, therefore certain thorts and explanations get adjusted such as with all scientific proven events.. murder trials.. years later uncover knew evidence, not that the people investigating were not knowlegeable enough, but that new things come to light... the word as a whole based on the scriptures has never changed, certainly some people, and writings, ideas since have ammended. yes. but overall, the pros out way the cons.the reasoning of such things reasons more so than anything else..
"Seeing as how they are imperfect like the rest of us, it's probably not right to place any more faith in them than anyone else. If they are making mistakes, and are imperfect, then are they really any different than any other religion? Perhaps I am just confused about how they are imperfect, but claim they are guided by God at the same time. I'm not so sure the pros outweigh the cons - it may be that the cons outweigh the pros."
In the end he'll make his own choice.
Right on Lore! This is one argument that really makes my ass want to dip a snuff (I have no idea what that means, but my dad used to use it in situations like this, and I like it). The idea that life is sooooo much worse than it has been in the past. But that has to be the idea, doesn't it? If mankind is actually making any kind of progress, what need is there for Armageddon? Ignorance and Ostrich syndrome.
