Stagflation is here!

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  • 5go
    5go

    Rising Prices, Slowing Growth Hint at Stagflation

    By Paulette Miniter | Paulette Miniter Archive | Published: January 3, 2008

    LIKE DISCO, STAGFLATION died out with the 1970s. But as oil prices approach $100 a barrel and the economy shows signs of slowing down, whispers of stagflation making a comeback are starting to be heard.

    Coined in what was arguably the worst decade for the U.S. economy since the Great Depression, stagflation is a combination of declining economic growth (stagnation) and persistently rising prices (inflation). It's an especially pernicious enemy for monetary policymakers because their usual weapons for fighting economic threats — either raising or lowering interest rates — are somewhat neutralized. In general, cutting rates encourages economic growth by lowering borrowing costs, but it can also stoke inflation by giving consumers and businesses more money to spend. Raising interest rates tamps down inflation by discouraging borrowing and spending but can also slow economic production.

    Today, prices are undoubtedly rising and the economy is slowing down after several years of expansion. On Wednesday, oil futures briefly touched $100 a barrel for the first time and closed at their highest level in nominal terms at $99.62. Consumer prices in November increased 0.8%, the largest monthly gain since September 2005, and were up 4.3% year-over-year, boosted by high food and energy costs. Meanwhile, in a sign that industrial production could be faltering, the Institute of Supply Management reported this week that its key index of manufacturing activity fell to its lowest level in nearly five years in December

  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    Putting this in the adult section gave me all sorts of associations for "stagflation." Too much Interweb.

  • 5go
    5go

    You can thank good old Milton Friedman for it too!

    Friedman was in favor of abolishing the Federal Reserve System and replacing it with a mechanical system in nature that would keep the quantity of money going up at a steady rate, issued directly by the government and cutting back on fractional reserve banking powers for the banks. Friedman also supported various libertarian policies such as decriminalization of drugs and prostitution. During the Nixon administration he headed the committee to explore a move towards a paid/volunteer armed force. He would later state that his role in eliminating the draft was his proudest accomplishment. [26] Friedman did, however, believe a nation could compel military training as a reserve in case of war time. [27] He served as a member of President Reagan's Economic Policy Advisory Board in 1981. In 1988, he received both the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the National Medal of Science. He said that he was a libertarian philosophically, but a member of the U.S. Republican Party for the sake of "expediency" ("I am a libertarian with a small 'l' and a Republican with a capital 'R.' And I am a Republican with a capital 'R' on grounds of expediency, not on principle.") But, he said, "I think the term classical liberal is also equally applicable. I don't really care very much what I'm called. I'm much more interested in having people thinking about the ideas, rather than the person." [28]

    He believed inflating the money supply would grow the economy. Which is in direct defiance of what he knew happened to the Wiemar Republic and their attempt at doing that very thing. The result of that was the republic's collapse and the rise of the Nazi Party in Germany. Which I think was his plan because guess what the Nazi Party did, they busted unions, and cemented private corporate powers.

    In fact this idiot can be blamed for our troubles with US solders being deployed, and held in service longer than they signed up for do to there not being a draft to bring up replacements for burnt out soldiers.

    How does this guy maintain crediblity from the grave. His theories are all being disproved before our eyes.

  • palexisls
    palexisls

    actually friedman´s ideas are the polar oppposite of what you suggested. he suggests controlling inflation thru money supply, not that "inflating the money supply would grow the economy". thats actually a well known recipe for inflation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetarism

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Please learn about Milton Friedman before you go after him. This disinformation is painful. Painful. Friedman was a great economist and a great man. Here is a great place for you to learn about the Chicago and Austrian schools of economics. Please do yourself a favor and the rest of us as well and keep an open mind.

    http://mises.org/

    In fact this idiot can be blamed for our troubles with US solders being deployed, and held in service longer than they signed up for do to there not being a draft to bring up replacements for burnt out soldiers.

    *Sigh* No he cannot.

    Burn

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Here is the seminal TV series Freedom To Choose.

    http://www.ideachannel.tv/

    I highly recommend it.

    Thanks.

    Burn

  • owenfieldreams
    owenfieldreams

    No it isn't. If you want to know what real stagflation is, you have to go back to the years during Jimmy Carter's presidency. Interest rates were in double digits and inflation was out of control. Also, umemployment was through the roof...

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    as soon as we wean ourselves off oil -we will be less prone to stagflation

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    replacing it with a mechanical system in nature that would keep the quantity of money going up at a steady rate
    Which is in direct defiance of what he knew happened to the Wiemar Republic and their attempt at doing that very thing.
    No it is not. We are talking about a difference of degree. I say this myself as a favorer of "hard money" and fiscal restraint. Even a gold-based money supply inflates at a slight pace,as more of the material is extracted from the ground. It has been argued (and I am not convinced) that a slightly inflationary environment stimulates economic growth. This is a far cry from the runaway inflation the Weimar Republic engaged in as it attempted to inflate away its external debts and reduce the burden of war reparations.

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    As owen pointed out we are nowhere near what was going on when the term "stagflation" was coined. I remember 17% home mortgages and double digit unemployment at the same time. In 1979 the price of gas doubled (or close to it) in the space of a couple of months.

    These posts get tiresome, it's like listening to witnesses talk about how close to the end we are.

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