My personal proof elders are not spirit appointed

by stillajwexelder 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • stillajwexelder
    stillajwexelder

    I was Congregation secretary. All of us were against appointing a particular MS as elder despite the fact he had regular pioneered for 15 years. The reason was he told crude jokes and all in the congregation knew it. A CO came along and appointed him over the head of all the body. The brother was DFd 18 months later. Never came back

    A new CO comes along.

    We have another who is MS. The entire body are for his appointment. The CO would not appoint.

    So we have one CO who appoints despite the objection of the body. Another CO who declines to appoint despite the approval of the entire body.

    It is down to individual COs and personality and whim - NOT holy spirit.

  • PEC
    PEC

    Wait on Jehobah, he will take care of it.

    Philip

  • VM44
    VM44

    The first CO must have liked the jokes!

  • flipper
    flipper

    STILLA- I agree with VM ! The circuit overseer must have liked the ms jokes. The ms knew just how to stroke the CO ! Amazing all the politics I saw being in the org. 44 years ! Sick stuff ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • TMS
    TMS

    stillajwexelder,

    There have been a couple of power shifts in the last 30 years between the circuit overseers and the body of elders. Forty years ago, the circuit overseers simply made the recommendations. With the elder arrangement (introduced in 1971, implemented in 1972), the power briefly shifted. For a brief, heady time, the visiting circuit overseer was simply "another elder". That brief perestroika came with the research on the Aid book. After the Ray Franz DF-ing, things got hard and cold again.

    I did a thread on this awhile back: "How the Circuit Overseer Manipulates the Body of Elders" http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/143449/1.ashx

    Since you mentioned circuit overseers, I will site one of my major pet peeves. The "Flock" book and elder manuals before that always described elder meetings as having an "agenda". It was to be issued before the meeting so no one came in flat footed. Each elder could prayerfully, scripturally consider each point. Circuit Overseers violate this principle almost routinely ramrodding their personal, pet issues through. One circuit overseer wanted a perfectly good Kingdom Hall remodeled. He "worked" with select brothers in field service, orchestrated the remodel down to the cost and specifics. Knowing that the Presiding Overseer at the time would be resistant to change, he first orchestrated a change in that position. The new PO was a heavy player in the "quick-build" program. So the majority of the body walked into an elder's meeting not knowing they would leave with a new PO and a tremendous remodel project to fund. It was all orchestrated in advance. I made what was viewed as a rebellious comment at that meeting. I suggested we leave the Kingdom Hall "as is" and donate the money we would have spent to build a dozen "third world" Kingdom Halls. If looks could kill! LOL!

    tms

  • freetosee
    freetosee

    That was one big issue for me when I left. Not only did they handle matters of concern badly and thereby causing more damage to those involved, most of them live a dobble life and were forever fighting eachother.

    When my father was appointed I couldnt understand why jehovah did that... today I know better.

    fts

  • sorrowschild
    sorrowschild

    amen to that.

    it's always political, and even movement within the elder body is politics, manipulation and showing a facade.

  • B_Deserter
    B_Deserter

    I knew someone that told those kinds of filthy jokes. He would constantly complain about not being appointed an MS. He would talk about how the elders are against him all the time. He eventually started making plans to move congregations...until he started sucking up. Whenever the CO would visit, he'd run for the mop/snow shovel and start cleaning. He was all about making a big show. Eventually he was appointed an MS, and now constantly reminds people that he's an "appointed man."

  • Exterminator
    Exterminator

    Appointments are for "spiritually mature brothers", which means organization men

  • Must obey!
    Must obey!

    But stilla, you're a female. if you were Secretary of your congregation that is proof enough surely that the holy spirit had nothing to do with your appointment.

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