E-mail sent to JW family member

by dawg 19 Replies latest jw friends

  • dawg
    dawg

    its long but worth the read.

    No man wants a fight, I'm in good health, but I don't want problems I want solutions. Yet, if someone/something causes someone you love harm, then we all have an obligation to speak out. It may not be what that someone wants to hear at the moment, but I still have that obligation. WT literature says that very thing....

    I've asked you three questions that you haven't answered... let me refresh.

    1) Where in the Bible does it say that I can't question a group of men and that by my so doing I become an "apostate" to God. No JW has/can answer this question for me, you continue to not answer it.. No where does the bible say that your own family shouldn't talk to you becasue you don't believe the dogmas of any religion...

    2) I've asked you to read John chapter 6 several times and respond... this is what it says starting in verse 52: "in truth I tell you, if you do not eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Anyone who does eat my flesh and drink my blood has eternal life, and I shall raise that person on the last day".... I wanted you to see that the sacraments, as many religions call them, are for everyone not just the so called "remnant" as the WT calls them. Follow up this research by reading Rev. Chapter 7... where the great crowd sits before the throne and before the lamb....and where is Christ's throne? WHere is Jesus' kingdom? Its in heaven right family member (name not disclosed)? How can the great crowd be on the earth when its seated before the throne? Now, sincerly ask an elder to explain using the scriptures the WT position on this... research this on your own... If I'm not mistaken the "Revelation" book is being studied on Tuesdays, look up the information there and see if the WT position holds water. Or see if its simply their own "spirit guided" interpretation of scripture. I'd love to hear a response to this, as no JW has ever been able to answer this question for me; they just got mad I whad the nerve to question the GB.

    3) I've asked you to research the 607BC date for the fall of Jerusalem, its wrong of course that's why I wanted you to research it. And this is the date they use partially to arrive at the whole 1914 prophesy... you know, Christ's "invisible" presence....In this weeks WT they say that God chose this organization in 1919, they arrive at this date using the wrong caculation also. And as for the Elder that realized this date was wrong and humbly presented the information to the GB, he was DF for "apostacy"; his family and frineds were taken from him in an instant for being correct. His conscience wouldn't allow him to lie and this made him an "apostate"....nice! As for the GB, they have known this since at least the mid 70s...does God want his self appointed messengers to teach a wrong dogma, a known lie? You think that God wants men to teach a known false dogma, and since they know its wrong, it means they knownly are teaching a lie?

    I could go on about their false dogmas, but these three desreve an answer, especially since you've recently deemed it fit to attack my character. So you think I "like to destroy things, not build up?" How can you not know that this family has tossed aside many relatives the last few years over dogmas such as these? And this was meant to build up not destroy...this religion has destroyed hundreds of lives. ANd I would be showing love to my family by remaining silent, knowing others are sure to suffer under the oppressive yoke of this cult?

    THe rest is personal and talks about how my family no longer talks to me becasue I won't lie for the WT any longer.... what do you guys think?

  • hubert
    hubert

    Thanks, dawg, this is a keeper!

    Good logic here. I hope the j.w. reads this and starts to wake up.

    Hubert

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    Seems reasonable to me...

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower

    dawg...

    some will close it as soon as they see its from you.

    some will open it out of curiosity ....and close it as soon as they see its "apostate."

    some will open it out of curiosity and read it through out of curiosity.... and then dismiss it as "apostate".

    ...and maybe...just maybe...some will open it out of curiosity and you will plant a seed of doubt in their mind...give it time to grow....

    Snakes ()

  • momzcrazy
    momzcrazy

    momz

  • uninformed
    uninformed

    Dawg,

    Good, sound, basic questions.

    Only a JW could get offended by those.

    Keep up the effort.

    Brant

  • dawg
    dawg

    Thank all of you for such kind thoughts.

  • Low-Key Lysmith
    Low-Key Lysmith

    Very reasonable & well thought out.

    In a way, I really envy you for your candor. I talk a tough game when my relatives pressure me to come back. I use a variety of concrete arguments, however, they are always to the effect of my own personal thoughts & beliefs. At the end of the day, I never have the cajones to challenge their beliefs because I know how much they would be hurt by my doing so......Maybe I should grow some cajones....?

  • dawg
    dawg

    YOu know what Lowkey? First off, that post you made about women... very funny... that said, I don't know what to do either... my way may suck as much as anyone's...

    THis last year on this site has taught me that my thinking is often off..I have a good heart but my methods don't work sometimes... good thing to listen to others...

    But I did have the cajones to do this letter writing campaign; it started last year, and the results are pretty much what I expected. Some people want to kill me and some want to enthrone me. Thos that were thinking like I was are happy as hell I spoke out, they mostly don't spaek out and I respect that, but some are speaking and it seems the numbers are growing.

    Funny thing is, this relative has been e-mailing me lately, and I think I may have scored some points, but who the hell knows what top do? I know I don't!

  • cognac
    cognac

    I think you should break down what the word “apostasy” and apostate mean and go from there. This way, they can’t really fight you on it…

    This is all from strongs dictionary in which the society uses often…

    The original words that "apostacy" comes from the Greek word "apostasia" meaning "defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):--falling away, forsake.". Now, in the Greek scriptures, this word is used 2 times in which I will quote them.

    I highlighted where the word apostasy is used…

    Acts 21:21

    Strongs:

    And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise [their] children, neither to walk after the customs.

    nwt:

    But they have heard it rumored about you that you have been teaching all the Jews among the nations an apostasy from Moses, telling them neither to circumcise their children nor to walk in the [solemn] customs.

    2 Thes. 2:3

    Strongs:

    Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition

    NWT:

    Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.

    Do you guys know what it stated in these 2 instances???? Well, in Acts this is speaking about the apostle paul and how it was rumered that he was teaching these things and so the military commander ordered that they beat the crap out of Paul.

    In 2 Thes. in this instance I can't say it better then what is quoted in verse 4 - " He is set in opposition and lifts himself up over everyone who is called "god" or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of The God, publicly showing himself to be a god."

    Now, notice that they only scripture that really spoke about what apostasy is in 2 thes.... Ask your family member if it is reasonable that they view you as having elevated yourself up "over everyone who is called God???

    Side Note ~

    Compare that to what the NWT says in 2 Pe.2:1 -

    " However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. "

    hmmmm??? Who are those false teachers???? Who are the ones that brought on a "destuctive sect"????

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