It always amazes me to read that account in the Bible. This man just happened to be crucified next to Jesus, expresses his faith in him, and boom! Jesus states that he will be with him in Paradise. Why does the WT make it so hard for someone to prove that he/she has faith in Jesus? Wherever this man ends up, earth, heaven, whatever, rest assure that he is well taken care of.
The Earthly Hope for the thief on the cross?
by Honesty 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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LayingLow
Amen. I agree Burns. When Rev 21:2 really hit me it was amazing.
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JosephMalik
Since Jesus died first and the curtain in the temple was torn in two did the thief share in the earthly or the heavenly hope?
Honesty,
Are there two kingdoms in different places? Can you support this assumption? Then is the kingdom divided somehow in two different places? Can you support this assumption instead? Well then will this kingdom consist of a human ruler complete with administrators and a general population that will need such an administration? Can this be supported? Yes! I can support this assumption. And will all this be in the same place like for instance the earth when Christ returns here? Yes! I can support this assumption. And would you say that anyone not part of the administration the kingdom as it is known would never the less be in paradise with Jesus because of this? Yes. I can support this assumption. One would not expect this thief to be one of the administrators of it such as his apostles and disciples will be. The time when one died does not determine who belongs where. I can also support this assumption. Christ determines such things not this circumstance. But if I am wrong please use the scriptures to correct me on all this.
Joseph
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Honesty
Show us what ya got, Joseph.
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JosephMalik
Honesty,
I have been doing it for years and this board is full of such comments. This is your thead and your proposition. You put it out for discussion on your terms. So you go first.
Joseph
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LayingLow
I may be mistaken, but aren't you actually agreeing with Honesty? I may have missed something, but it seems we're all agreeing that at Christ's return he will have his Kingdom on the earth(which came down out of heaven). We will not all be administrators no doubt, but it is where we all hope to be (on earth during the time of the Kingdom). If I did miss some part of the conversation, please bring it to my attention. Thank you.
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JosephMalik
Laying Low,
You may be right. But remember this is a JW board and they teach differently. They word things the way she did and imply different meanings to such texts. And until Honesty answers in more precise terms and statements we will not know. Why else would she have tried to challenge me to the questions I already answered?
Joseph