Questioning the 144K

by OMG! Now What? 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • OMG! Now What?
    OMG! Now What?

    See, I suppose this is my dilemma. I can't figure what they wanted us to take literally or figuratively. One other example would be the faithful and discreet slave. To me, maybe I'm wrong, but that particular scripture is an example Jesus gave us; he wasn't specifying the GB or any other group of people but was making a point of how we should behave ourselves. So, the 144K seems like the same to me. If the scriptures point to them being men, then why in the world would we consider them to possibly be women. Also, I'd like to know where this "sexless" entity came from that was suggested. I also heard that a few times, but I can't imagine us not being sexed. Like, you know, girls sit and boys stand when they pee, right? If they are sexless, then to be human, then they either need both (hermaphradite) or neither. That would make peeing a little difficult, unless, of course, we would be so perfect that we wouldn't need to sit on the pot anymore, right?

    Now, there are other scriptures that are figurative such as the image of the beast. I can understand those figurative suggestions, but to presume the "virgin" would be figuratively "undefiled from other false religions" seems to be stretching our imagination a bit. Maybe, deep down, we are so programmed to think the WT way that we can't shake it from our senses. It's not like I want to know the answer to these passages in the Bible, it's just I'm trying to make sense of what they taught us to believe. And, please, don't take my "we" the wrong way. I use that term loosely knowing some of you either aren't participating in this discussion or are non-believers now. All that is fine with me. I may be there soon myself. I'm just trying to figure out another lie I've been told to believe. It's all probably just a scare tactic to keep the little people in line, I suppose.

  • LtCmd.Lore
    LtCmd.Lore

    Well, the way I heard it (from the JWs) was that the resurrected would be SEXLESS creatures. They also said that those who survived Armageddon would be the only ones to be able to produce children.

    So according to that sort of logic....if the 144,000 are all resurrected then it could include the species formally known as the female. Right?

    Well, the JWs will simply start making things up whenever they want. The Bible doesn't say that angels are sexless. It says that they don't have marriage, marriage is a legal union, but NOWHERE does it say that they are sexless.

    In fact it indicates that they have a sex drive, in the story of the Nephiliim. And Zechariah indicates that there were female angels:

    (Zechariah

    5:9)9 Then I raised my eyes and saw, and here there were two women coming forth, and wind was in their wings. And they had wings like the wings of the stork. And they gradually raised the e´phah up between the earth and the heavens.

    It doesn't call them angels.... but they sure do fit the taxonomic description!

    If the JWs wish to claim that angels are genderless, then the burden of proof is on THEM to do so. Because there are a LOT of refferences to male angels. If they're genderless, they sure do a good job of hiding it.

    And another thing, our gender is a HUGE part of us. It shapes our entire being, If you lose your gender when you go to heaven, then you lose a pretty big part of your personality along with it.

    Finally, one must wonder why god doesn't allow women to be preists or kings? If it's simply because they lack a penis, then being a sexless angel wouldn't help matters much. But if it's because of some mental weakness in females that doesn't exist in males, then unless god changes their personality as well, they STILL wouldn't qualify. They'd still behave like inferior-unfit-to-be-priest women.


    (Disclaimer: No offence to any women at all. Personally I think Yahweh is an evil, bigoted, sexist, moron, so my interpretations of what he thinks does not in any way reflect my personal views about you ladies.)

    Lore - What.Would.Satan.Do?

  • cultswatter
    cultswatter

    They want virgins in outer space

    Can you imagine an infinite orgasm??

  • uninformed
    uninformed

    Its all symbolic except for the number.

    That makes a lot of sense?

    Brant

  • OBVES
    OBVES

    Psalm 128 testifies to the fact that any servant of God Yahweh will be blessed with a wife each and with children .

    That sexless idea is totally wrong ! Again the Watchtower is in error .

  • LtCmd.Lore
    LtCmd.Lore
    Psalm 128 testifies to the fact that any servant of God Yahweh will be blessed with a wife each and with children .

    Well crap! What do you do if you don't want a wife or children?

  • OBVES
    OBVES

    Please ! After God , sex is the next important thing for a man who wants to live for ever happily .

    And God said to the man who had all material things aroud him :

    "it is not good for a man to be alone "

    You may not want to have a wife because you see problems .

    I don't want to have a wife now because I want to have a wife in Paradise where conditions will be the best . I see problems now but not in the future Paradise .

  • LtCmd.Lore
    LtCmd.Lore

    One more thing I just learned:

    Did you know that there are families in heaven?

    (Ephesians 3:14-15) 14 For this reason I bow my knees before the Father, 15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name,

    After God , sex is the next important thing for a man who wants to live for ever happily .

    I've never had sex, and I don't want too. I also don't believe in god.

    But I'm pretty happy.

    Lore - What.Would.Satan.Do?

  • inkling
    inkling
    it's just symbolic language being used there...nearly all of Revelation is symbolic.

    yeah, including all the numbers. Oh. Except for the number 144,000. Because. Becuase I said so. Go to your room.

    [inkling]

  • OBVES
    OBVES

    No man is wiser than God Yahweh ! If He said " it is not good for man to be alone" then we must agree with that and I agree with that completely knowing from my experience how good sex is .

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