Feb. 1 mass calling campaign. Will you call? (page 2)

Burger Time

Another useless campaign that does nothing but give fuel to the fire. The best thing we can do is live our life free. I could care less about Brother Schmidt in the Montana hall. If my family weren't JW's I would not even care what the dubs did.

Gadget

I am interested to hear from people who are dead set against any action against the WTS. If you are out there would you identify yourself and state exactly why you want no part of any real action? Curious.

The reason I don't take part in any overt action like this is because it adds fuel to the fire. Jw's have phobia's about apostates and once those trigger points are reached it doesn't matter what you tell them, they'll dismiss it as apostate thinking and take no note of it. Rather than make them think it can actually reinforce the wt mentality by providing proof that what the wt tells them about apostates is true. The line between making someone think and triggering a phobia is a very fine one.

Paul

nvrgnbk

There is a small group of us determined to do this although the response hasn't been as big yet as you might expect.

Sounds like something a Jehovah's Witness might say.

Keep up your self-deprogramming efforts, DT.

joannadandy

Why am i against action?

Please refrence what Burgertime and Gadget said.

maxwell

Also. I am interested to hear from people who are dead set against any action against the WTS. If you are out there would you identify yourself and state exactly why you want no part of any real action? Curious.
Also, those of you who ignore all posts about action and are not even opening this post. If you DO open this post by accident why do you not even offer a reason for not participating? Can you talk about it anyway against your better judgement? I'm just trying to draw out those who are patently against or apathetic about group actions. wHAT IS THE REASON FOR your apathy? Were you just not hurt that bad by the Society?

I would not describe myself as dead set against any action. If it makes other people feel good, more power to them. However, I will never make taking action against the WTS a big part of my life. I wasted plenty of my life preaching for the society. I am not going to waste my time preaching against them. I much more enjoy wasting my time doing other stuff like posting on this message board or looking at porn. If a JW wants to talk to me about what I believe, I would be more than happy to share, but I am not going to seek out people to tell them how bad one silly little religion is.

I don't necessarily avoid clicking on these action threads. I'll often read them because I am curious about what you you zealous preachers are doing, but I usually don't post because I have nothing positive to add. As I stated before, I'm not going to try to stop you. I simply have no desire to join you.

Some would say the WTS is dangerous. They are no more dangerous than any other main stream religious organization. They are much smaller than most main stream religions so really they are less dangerous. If an adult is a part of that organization, they have made their own choice. For most adult JW's who have put the blinders on, no amount of preaching, action or picketing will change their mind. If and when they decide to take the blinders off, there's plenty of information available at the library and on the Internet, which is where I found information. When I was a JW, I just saw picketing apostates as nutty. They had no effect. When I took off the blinders, I went to the Internet and I went to the library.

The question "Were you just not hurt that bad by the Society?" is interesting. In another thread someone mentioned playing the victim. Obviously everyone's experience is different. Some people left JW much later in life and suffered much more from being JW than I. Looking at another area, I am black. Other black people have suffered much more racism than I have. But there are some JW, some black people, some women, some latinos, some whites, etc. etc. who play the victim card too much. There are a few JW who are/were truly being victimized by the religion. Perhaps some sort of in your face action would help those who are currently being victimized. Often trauma is what motivates a person to take the blinders off. But most adult JW are free to make their own choices and they must face the consequences of those choices just as I face the consequences of my choices. Dealing with the consequences of decision that I made does not make me a victim. No one is forcing adults to be JW just as no one is forcing some black people to assume "thug" culture is black culture.

OUTLAW

..#1:Bethel won`t give a dam..It will just be another bunch of JW Apostate nutcases who figured out how to use a phone............#2:Your average JW will never hear about it..If they do..It will just be another bunch of JW Apostate nutcases who figured out how to use a phone..............#3:Knocking on the door at Bethel,then running away before someone answers it..Would be just as effective in disturbing a normal day at Bethel................ Laughing Mutley ...OUTLAW

drew sagan

I'm just trying to draw out those who are patently against or apathetic about group actions. wHAT IS THE REASON FOR your apathy? Were you just not hurt that bad by the Society?

Lack of interest in mass capaigns against the Watchtower Society does equal an apathetic attitude.

There are a few important things that effect the thinking of those not interested in such things. First of all, there are always going to be people who will never leave the Watchtower (at least not in our lifetime). We can never know the percentage, but such loyalty does not go away quickly.

Secondly, many who are in the Watchtower respond negativly from such actions. They have been conditioned quite well against such confrontations. Only a small minority would possibly respond and it is very questionable whether or not it is worth it so to speak.

Thirdly, the majority of people on this board want to move on with their lives. They recognize that they left the Watchtower on their own free will. They made the choice to leave that system because of an internal crisis they faced, as an individual. You cannot just create that in other people. It is a place a person muct arrive at themselves. While there are things you can do that may possibly push a person in the direction of free thinking and internal questioning,

The Watchtowers main problem is information. They wish to control all information about themselves, but it is becoming more difficult. The Watchtower is eventually going to have a struggle not with people outside the group lobbing attacks at it, but with the people inside the group who wish to go out and defend what they niavely believe is "the truth"

The internet is littered with JW apologetics who want to go out and prove the "apostates" wrong.

They are coming to us, which is a much better thing.

DT

Wow, this is an interesting discussion. I just wanted to share my view of apostates while I was a JW. This is just based on my personal experiences while growing up. I wasn't afraid of them or thought they were crazy. I just thought they were relatively helpless. I didn't know any and I hardly ever saw them. I didn't even know how to get my hands on apostate literature if I wanted to. I didn't really know what their major complaints were. Occasionally, I might see a single apostate at an assembly with a sign or screaming abuses. I unconsciously drew the conclusion that since they couldn't seem to get their act together, they probably didn't have anything important to say. If they decided to do something, it was probably the result of a personal grudge. If I knew there were so many apostates and that they had legitimate concerns, I would have probably looked at things very differently. I'm sure that others have had very different experiences, but I do believe that many JWs have never even heard about some of the big controversies about their organisation or don't realise that a lot of people are very concerned about these issues.

pseattle2

Also. I am interested to hear from people who are dead set against any action against the WTS. If you are out there would you identify yourself and state exactly why you want no part of any real action? Curious.
Also, those of you who ignore all posts about action and are not even opening this post. If you DO open this post by accident why do you not even offer a reason for not participating? Can you talk about it anyway against your better judgement? I'm just trying to draw out those who are patently against or apathetic about group actions. wHAT IS THE REASON FOR your apathy? Were you just not hurt that bad by the Society?

It's been said before in this post, but it bears repeating: You sound exactly like a Jehovah's Witness elder in this post -- intimidating, baiting, insulting and holier-than-thou.

The downfall of the Watchtower Society, when and if it happens, will be because of their own implosive factors painting them into a moral corner -- with absolutely every media eye focused upon them. Not only should we not do phone terrorism campaigns like this one, but they will hurt the cause more than help it.

Just help your local ex-brothers and sisters and let the Watchtower Society unravel on its own. They've set their own traps. We need do nothing.

--P

cultswatter

Hello is this the Jehovah's?

Yes

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