Could an active JW read this without blinking?

by besty 18 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • besty
    besty

    I'm not a big fan of huge ^c^v (cut and paste) posts but here goes....

    I found this when I Googled 'Jehovahs Witness Landmark Forum' - thats another post why I was doing that..

    http://www.ex-cult.org/General/identifying-a-cult takes about 3 minutes to read...

    my question is 'could a JW read this and not even think 'is that us?''

    IDENTIFYING A CULT There has been much confusion about cults and how to 'pickem'. Some have difficulty identifying a cult because it is not so easy to identify one that is not even religious. For this reason, over the years, different definitions of what actually is a cult have developed to make it easier when you know little about their beliefs. The different definitions: SECULAR DEFINITION CULT - From the Latin "cultis" which denotes all that is involved in worship, ritual, emotion, liturgy and attitude. This definition actually denotes what we call denominations and sects and would make all religious movements a cult. CHRISTIAN DEFINITION CULT - Any group which deviates from Biblical, orthodox, historical Christianity. e.i. They deny the Deity of Christ; His physical resurrection; His personal and physical return to earth and salvation by FAITH alone. This definition only covers those groups which are cults within the Christian religion. It does not cover cults within other world religions such as Islam and Hinduism. Nor does it cover Psychological, Commercial or Educational cults which do not recognize the Bible as a source of reality. UNIVERSAL DEFINITION CULT - Any group which has a pyramid type authoritarian leadership structure with all teaching and guidance coming from the person/persons at the top. The group will claim to be the only way to God; Nirvana; Paradise; Ultimate Reality; Full Potential, Way to Happiness etc, and will use thought reform or mind control techniques to gain control and keep their members. This definition covers cults within all majopr world religions, along with those cults which have no OBVIOUS religious base such as commercial, educational and psychological cults. Others may define these a little differently, but this is the simplest to work from. THE 'ORTHODOX BIBLE-BASED CULT' A group is called a cult because of their behaviour - not their doctrines. Doctrine is an issue in the area of Apologetics and Heresy. Most religious cults do teach what the Christian church would declare to be heresy but some do not. Some cults teach the basics of the Christian faith but have behavioural patterns that are abusive, controlling and cultic. This occurs in both Non-Charismatic and Charismatic churches. These groups teach the central doctrines of the Christian faith and then add the extra authority of leadership or someone's particular writings. They centre around the interpretations of the leadership and submissive and unquestioning acceptance of these is essential to be a member of good standing. This acceptance includes what we consider non-essential doctrines e.i. not salvation issues (such as the Person and Work of Christ.) The key is that they will be using mind control or undue influence on their members. An excellent book on this subject is "Churches that Abuse" by Dr Ronald Enroth. Using these guidelines of definition, Bible-based, Psychological, Educational and Commercial aberrations can easily be identified. OTHER IDENTIFICATION MARKS (a) The group will have an ELITIST view of itself in relation to others, and a UNIQUE CAUSE. e.i. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES RIGHT - everyone else is wrong. THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES DOING GOD'S WILL - everyone else is in apostasy. (b) They will promote their cause actively, and in doing so, abuse God-given personal rights and freedoms. This abuse can be THEOLOGICAL, SPIRITUAL, SOCIAL & PSYCHOLOGICAL. HOW THEY DO THIS 1. Their leader/s may claim a special, exclusive ministry, revelation or position of authority given by God. 2. They believe they are the only true church and take a critical stance regarding the Christian church while at the same time praising and exalting their own group, leader/s and work. 3. They use intimidation or psychological manipulation to keep members loyal to their ranks. This could be in the form of threats of dire calamity sent by God if they leave; certain death at Armageddon; being shunned by their family and friends etc. This is a vital part of the mind control process. 4. Members will be expected to give substantial financial support to the group. This could be compulsory tithing (which is checked); signing over all their property on entering the group; coercive methods of instilling guilt on those who have not contributed; selling magazines, flowers or other goods for the group as part of their "ministry". At the same time bible-based cults may ridicule churches that take up free-will offerings by passing collection plates and/or sell literature and tapes. They usually brag that they don't do this. This gives outsiders the intimation that they are not interested in money. 5. There will be great emphasis on loyalty to the group and its teachings. The lives of members will be totally absorbed into the group's activities. They will have little or no time to think for themselves because of physical and emotional exhaustion. This is also a vital part of the mind control process. 6. There will be total control over almost all aspects of the private lives of members. This control can be direct through communal living, or constant and repetitious teaching on "how to be a true Christian" or "being obedient to leadership". Members will look to their leaders for guidance in everything they do. 7. Bible-based cults may proclaim they have no clergy/laity distinction and no paid ministry class - that they are all equal. 8. Any dissent or questioning of the group's teachings is discouraged. Criticism in any form is seen as rebellion. There will be an emphasis on authority, unquestioning obedience and submission. This is vigilantly maintained. 9. Members are required to demonstrate their loyalty to the group in some way. This could be in the form of "dobbing" on fellow members (including family) under the guise of looking out for their "spiritual welfare". They may be required to deliberately lie (heavenly deception) or give up their lives by refusing some form of medical treatment. 10. Attempts to leave or reveal embarrassing facts about the group may be met with threats. Some may have taken oaths of loyalty that involve their lives or have signed a "covenant" and feel threatened by this. Refugees of the group are usually faced with confrontations by other members with coercion to get them to return to the group. SOME ABUSES OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS:- 1. ABUSE OF INDIVIDUALITY They adopt a "groupness" mentality. They are not permitted to think for themselves apart from the group and only accept what they are told. 2. ABUSE OF INTIMACY Relationships with friends, relatives, spouses, children, parents etc are broken or seriously hampered. 3. ABUSE OF FINANCES Pressure to give all you can to the group. In non-communal groups, members usually live at the lower socio-economic strata, not because of a lower income level, but because they are always giving money to the group for some reason. 4. "US VERSUS THEM" MENTALITY Isolation from the community in general. Anyone and everything outside the group is seen as "of the devil" or "unenlightened" etc. Their enemies now include former friends; the Christian church; governments; education systems; the media - the world in general. Those who are involved with these in any way see such involvement as a "means to an end". 5. ABUSE OF TIME AND ENERGY The group controls and uses almost all the members time and energy in group activities. They are usually in a constant state of mental and physical exhaustion. 6. ABUSE OF FREE WILL They must unquestioning submit to the groups teachings and directions and their own free will is broken. Their "will" actually becomes the groups "will" without their realizing it. This is done either by coercive methods including low protein diets and lack of sleep, or over a period of time through intimidation. Both methods make heavy use of "guilt". RESULTS OF THIS ABUSE 1. PERSONALITY CHANGES Relatives will say they no longer recognize the person. From a warm, loving personality will come heaped abuse, rejection and feelings of hate. The cult member sees himself as "righteous" in comparison and this comes across in their attitude toward all outsiders. 2. LOSS OF IDENTITY They cannot see themselves as individuals apart from the group. Some even change their name as a rejection of their former life. 3. PARANOID - WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED Any time you say anything negative about the group, whether justified or no, it is regarded as "persecution". Any criticism of the individual is also seen as persecution only because they are the "true Christian" or "enlightened" one - not because they, as an individual, have done the wrong thing. However, at the same time they will feel free to criticise whatever you believe, say and do because they are "the only ones who are right". 4. SOCIAL DISORIENTATION They lose their ability to socialize outside the group. This can go so far as to not being able to structure their time or make simple decisions for themselves when they leave. Their world-view alters and they perceive the world through their leaders eyes. They become very naive about life in general. 5. SEVERE GUILT COMPLEXES They are made to feel guilty of everything they did before entering the group and are to strive to be "good" and "worthy" for "eternal life". Misdemeanors are made into "mountains" so that members are in a constant state of guilt for infringing even the most minor rules. Guilt comes because they aren't doing enough; entertaining doubts or questions; even thinking rationally for oneself. This guilt is piled upon pile with new rules constantly being laid down about what is sinful and what is not. Illness may be seen as lack of faith - more guilt. Emotional illness may be seen as proof of sin in your life - more guilt. SUMMARY Not all these points will be found in every cult, but all cults will have some if not most of them, although these may vary to some degree. Copyright 1985 Jan Groenveld Freedom In Christ, PO Box 2444, Mansfield, 4122, Australia 
  • AWAKE&WATCHING
    AWAKE&WATCHING

    When I "woke up" I started going through all the books on religion and cults that I have in my personal library. I re-read things that knocked my socks off about JW's being a cult and cults in general. Now I know that I read these things before and didn't blink. The last one to know that they are in a cult is someone in a cult.

  • tula
    tula

    very good information.

    "Cults" permeate our whole structure of society.

    It is very important for people to realize this is not just a few cult religions like Jw, Mormon and scientology. This includes ALL "christian" denominations.

    It is very much the way the commerce operates as well.

    It is a "who you know" and "who you owe" (favors and blackmail) system.

    I am glad you brought this information forward.

    Tula

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    Well, three years ago I would have blinked, swallowed hard, and kept on a goin.....but it would have bothered me. I wish all JWs could be bothered.....

  • besty
    besty
    The last one to know that they are in a cult is someone in a cult.

    If ever. A&W... if ever...

    It is very much the way the commerce operates as well.

    It is a "who you know" and "who you owe" (favors and blackmail) system.

    I'm pretty involved in the commercial world - i'd like to hear more of your thoughts on this Tula....

    blinked, swallowed hard, and kept on a goin.....but it would have bothered me. I wish all JWs could be bothered.....

    Hey Q - the point is to make a full on JW think outside the box - thats all...just think there may be another paradigm out there...once they start thinking they start thinking about leaving....no need to make them them think about leaving, just start them thinking...

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    Actually, JW's are considered to be a high control group by most psychologists and psychyatrists. Not a lot of difference, but there ya go.

  • Octarine Prince
    Octarine Prince

    Great post.

    If you believe you are in the truth, you can
    reason around the definitions.

    After you start to find out the lies, it's easy to
    see the whole story.

  • freeme
    freeme

    the texts reads like some christian guy wrote this about the jws. is this really a neutral text? the catholic/protestant church is a cult by this standards too, but seems to be sorted out for no reason. even their doctrines are mentioned as a sign of a non-cult. it smells somehow in my eyes (nose).

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Thanks for sharing this Besty.

    I think the bits of this essay that clearly DON'T apply to JWs are helpful because they lull the JW reader into thinking it's OK to continue reading. To answer your question, I think this info may strike a little too close to home for many JWs to read it. If I were to tweak this a bit, I'd sprinkle in a few more thinly veiled bashings of Scientology or Mormonism to ease the JW's mind.

    The biggest thing I would change about this information is the source cited at the end, "Freedom In Christ". If the source was a psychologist or social worker without any obvious religious agenda, that would help a JW listen a bit more, IMO.

    It's hard to remember EXACTLY what my mindset was when confronted by information like this, but I'll give it a shot.

    The "good JW" KNOWS he's not in a cult because the Watchtower tells him he's not. So, the motivation for me (when I was a good JW) to read something like this would be either:

    a. To learn a bit more about "real cults" like Jim Jones's People's Temple, etc.

    or

    b. To see what kind of smear tactics the "other side" is using against JWs. (Provided the "other side" isn't apostates.)

    If a JW reads this, their only real hope, IMO, is "The Voice" as the JWD poster "Confession" refers to it. That teeny-tiny, barely there, inner voice. Listening to that voice is the only real way out of a cult, IMO.

    Thanks again,

    OM

  • Ténébreux
    Ténébreux
    is this really a neutral text?

    The author, Jan Groenveld, is a former member of both the Mormons and JWs, so this would have been written with them specifically in mind. For that reason alone, I would be quite hesitant to pass this article on to a JW. All they have to do is Google the author, and then they have an instant excuse not to consider the information.

    It may be better to show them an article like this: www.exitsupportnetwork.com/artcls/lifton.htm - which contains similar information but with a completely different organization in mind (World Wide Church of God). They may be more inclined to examine the control tactics and see them in a negative light simply because another organization is doing it. But they won't be able to help noticing the similarities with their own. It's something of a dilemma - either the JWs are doing something bad, or another organization is doing something good. Either is unacceptable.

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