YK,
HS wrote - You seem to acknowledge a need for 'house-cleaning' yet vilify, sometimes in the most spiteful and unworthy terms, those who courageously effect such changes.
Christ Jesus acknowledged a need for house cleaning yet that doesn't mean he is going to join forces with the Accuser and his apostate dupes to effect some sort of change. You are kidding yourself if you think you are on the right side of the issue.
As this is totally a matter of your own opinion, not justified in NT theology and based on loose and rather worrying assumptions by yourself of having ‘special’ insight from God, it has to be assessed as an illogical reaction, rather than reasoned thinking on your part. I might react by saying ‘YK, you are kidding yourself if you think you are on the right side of the issue’. My own proclamation is as impotent and meaningless as yours.
HS wrote: Speak with your friends in Writing Robert, they will bear witness to my words
I have no interest in the petty power politics that undoubtedly go on at Bethel. Human nature naturally stratifies any organization into progressive and conservative factions. You can see that in the local congregational level and I am sure it exists at the top of the organization. That's just kids stuff as far as I am concerned. Heck, the apostles were arguing over who was the greatest on the night Jesus was arrested.
You mix the processes of political relationship with the processes of social relationship, though superficially appearing similar, under scrutiny the motivation is quite dissimilar. Kissinger in his book ‘Diplomacy’ illustrates this very clearly. Many play the foul game of politics for the good of others, individuals seek prominence for the good of themselves only.
The only thing I am concerned with is Jehovah's will and word.
Many on this Board have ‘weaknesses in his (their ) faith’ . When they question you about scriptural matters you often react in a very unkind and spiteful manner, hurting people with brutal words. Is it Gods will that you behave like this? While God has a right to judge, your own judgment call as a Christian should be to ‘return evil for evil to no-one’. As one who purports to be of his anointed can you understand that you might drive these people into even deeper despair?
That's why I am content to do my thing and let them do theirs knowing that Jehovah will do his thing in due time. And indeed, his work is strange as Isaiah testifies.
What evidence, apart from personal interpretation do you have, that the prophetic scriptures in the OT were ever designed to live post 70CE?
At some point the brothers will realize that the sheet is too short for covering themselves with, then they will have no choice but to sit down and re-read the Bible and jetison a lot of the stuff that we have been saddled with. Then the truth will fit just like a key into a lock and there will be no need for politicking of any kind. People will either accept the brilliant new light or they will be left in the dark. It's beautiful really, because Jehovah gets the last word. You'll see. You will be amazed the way this thing is going to go down.
Again totally based on personal interpretation. You may be right., but do not ask anybody to build Paradise on your view of scripture.
HS wrote: As to the UN/NGO debacle, this is more a faux-pas on the part of the WTS than a sinister plot. The issue has been sitting waiting like an unexploded bomb for 11 years. It was not cleaned up from within, but as is the mark of a lumbering and rudderless WTS these days, it was attended too by pressure from individuals outside the Organization.
The prophecies I am looking at show it in a much different light. The Proverbs indicate that Jehovah even prepares the wicked one for the evil day. That means that God usesapostates and opposers to accomplish his own purposes. Similar to Judas' betrayal.
There you go again, quantum leaps into YK heaven, the emphasis on this section is the word ‘I’.
I think the Watchtower's association with the UN will come eventually be uncovered to be much more sinister than is even apparent now. Remember, Jesus forewarned that during the tribulation the deception would be so massive that it could even decieve Jehovah's chosen ones if that were possible. So, I think the UN connection willat some point really serve as a snare for a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses who are presently sleep walking.
Your opinion, I disagree. The UN debacle is small toast compared with what we will be discussing this time next year.
The whole scene of the world can change on a dime. Really, just one nuke is all it will take and we\ll see who trusts God and who follows men and their vain promises.
I have no doubt that we will see a nuclear explosion of some sort within the next few years. What will result from it and for God Trusters, of which I include myself, only time will tell.
HS wrote - Though they bring the changes that you seem to herald as necessary you still view them as enemies of God.
Aren't you the clever one.
Why thank you good sir, perhaps one day I may be able to say the same of you. I certainly look forward to that time.
I have never viewed Ray Franz and his little sect, the sect of Nicolaus according to Christ's revelation to the congregations, as having anything of value. Now you would have me believe that Ray's disciples would have saved the Watchtower from the NGO debacle. What a lie. Franz' issues ain't my issues. As far as I can tell Ray Franz had zero insight into spiritual things---ZERO.
Perhaps you are correct YK, but what has this to do with our discussion. I cannot even recall alluding to RF, let alone those sympathetic to his views. As to the sect of Nicolaus - tell me, do you have insights here that others do not as to the deeds or beliefs of this person or group, as his MO is a mystery to everyone else on this planet.
HS wrote - Though they bring the changes that you seem to herald as necessary you still view them as enemies of God.
Wrong. I don't desire to see any sort of change or reform brought about by human efforts…………….My desire is that Jesus would take complete control of his congregation and expell the phonies and hypocrites and presumptuous ones that would play the prince over Jehovah's little ones, and that Christ might effect the real spiritual paradise that the Scriptures foretold. Anything less than that is a waste time.
An admirable and noble view. As you pretend to be loyal to the WTS, while at the same time vilifying and attacking it at its foundations, a clear shift in your thinking incidentally from your past posts, do you not see a problem here? Your public statement seems to need justification as to why you do not fall into your own categories of condemnation. If this is your own sort of YK/NGO situation that you are developing, watch out Hawkaw is on your tail.
One thing is certain, very few loyal JW’s would give your views the consideration that they receive on this Board, does that not strike you as a little strange?
HS
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