by Mary 71 Replies latest jw friends
I wouldnt say Im for or against. I would just never choose to work for an outfit where I couldnt go jump up and down on the owner's desk if he/she wasnt treating me right. Take care of my own negotiations and problems. Dont want someone else doing it for me.
I've always made better money working for smaller companies anyway.
Was pro... unions did a lot of good in the past by bringing in better and safer working conditions.
Now anti...I think they have become too greedy and are forcing big companies out of the industrialized countries.
How many billions did GM lose in 2007. They are gradually leaving Canada and the U.S.
I've worked in management at a unionized workplace, and I've worked as a union member at a unionized workplace.
I absolutely hated the fact that the union was there in both positions. The union bosses always had some crap rules to put in place of common sense and common decency. It was just a complaining power trip for these uneducated goons, and everyone had to go along with their nonsense.
Very pro union. I have seen the Unions get as corrupt as the Cos but without them I would be making very little with no benefits. G. Bush (actually starting with that ol fart Reagan) have been busting unions for years because of their little backroom deals (and Clinton's NAFTA) our worker jobs that made "the American Dream" possible have been outsourced and we are very broken. The rich get richer, the middle class get poor and the poor die.
Absolutely "pro".
Without a union I'd be making half the wages, have no benefits, and be at the mercy of the next insane boss that wanted to fire me for the halibut. Without a contract, a company can too easily get out of its agreements to provide benefits, or reduce wages.
That doens't mean that all unions are created equal, that they are all effective or have good leadership or bargaining skills.
But: remember, when you are in a union, YOU ARE THE UNION. Just as with any other community, you choose whether to participate, make it better, speak up.
With a labor contract, you reduce arbitrary treatment and can have clear guidelines in the workplace. That works to everyone's benefit.
He gave me the evil eye and they're probably making cement shoes for me by now.
I gotta pair for ya!
JUST KIDDING
mem
It depends. For some I think it's the best way to go, for example government jobs. The government has an obligation to the tax payer to make their tax $$ go as far as they can, therefore they have an obligation to pay it's workers as little as possible. The union balances that out so that it's fair to the worker, and the tax payer.
I don't think every job should be unionized though, but that's up to the company to keep the employees happy enough that they don't want a union.
Kwin
It depends on what industry you are speaking of. If you are speaking of government workers, grocery workers, school teachers and teamsters, then I am anti-union. When you see government workers you see a bunch of lazy people with poor attitudes that really could care less about you and the problem or situation you are dealing with.
Grocery workers should not be getting paid $15-$20 per hour for sweeping products across a laser scanner (with an attitude as poor as their government brethren). This is the main reason why I do not shop at the unionized local markets, and instead shop at Fresh & Easy, which is non-union, and where I get better service (when was the last time you were escorted to the salsa at your local unionized grocers?).
School teachers, specifically the ones here in Los Angeles, have consistently been opposed to any sort of reform that would place the education of the children over their leadership's desire to have total control over the indoctrination, err education of the children that are in their charge.
Teamsters, and specifically the leadership of that union, have sold their members down the creek by allowing Mexican trucks to be driven in America by non-union Mexican scab drivers.
If you are speaking of these unions, then I am anti-union. Other than these, it is a case by case basis.
How many billions did GM lose in 2007. They are gradually leaving Canada and the U.S.
There was a company about an hour outside of Toronto that closed up a few weeks ago because the union refused to let the workers take a 25% cut in pay----something that management had already done in order to keep the plant open.
I realize of course that there are certain sectors that need to be unionized----I just don't think that where I work is one of them.
Grocery workers should not be getting paid $15-$20 per hour for sweeping products across a laser scanner (with an attitude as poor as their government brethren).
Oh yeah, well last year, I took a grocery scanning job that was unionized because the sales job I had ended. I got paid $7 an hour and have never encountered such rude, ungrateful customers in my life. The days of the $15 an hour scanner jobs are gone. We were required, or else lose our jobs, to scan groceries and merchandise at lightening, break neck speeds. We rarely ever got a minute to breathe. If it hadn't been for the union, we would not have gotten our breaks and lunches. We had crappy, out patient insurance that cost what regular insurance did. You want to know why grocery cashiers have bad attitudes? Because of bitchie, ill mannered customers.
