This Generation will not pass away? (page 3)

Grout

wannahelp: Yeah, that fits. They want to have their world and end it, too!

Thankyou HS,
I added the site that you reccommended to my favorite list. I will go into it tomorrow.
I enjoyed all of the comments. You all say the things that I feel and know, but cannot seem to put together in words. Thanks again.

Pureheart

tdogg

The "This Generation" line really had me scared during not only my active days but for years after I left the org. Getting over this particular point of indoctrination was very helpful for me in my recovery. To watch them squirm and try to spin this off does make feel a bit angry though.

cornish

You see Jehovah's people need to make adjustments and refinements in understanding from time to time,the question is are we humbly recieving that new light and are we moving foward with the organization and its light? How does the organization recieve this wonderful light?
......and the new light of the Watchtower is like a man starting out on a journey at the break of day high on magic mushrooms or LSD,and the bright shinning pretty lights get more and more delusional and convenient until the art of deception becomes fully established and no one knows the damned hell where they are really or what time it is.........

MacHislopp

Hello everyone,

nice to bring up this topic, one

more. Many of us would agree with Pathofthorns words:

"...Now the Society puts NO limits, and certainly
would not guarantee and especially guarantee in
writing any sort of date that one could be certain
that the end would have arrived by. "

So in few words, let's keep on the watch...I told

you, be vigilant .." and "...Keep on the watch,

therefore, because you do not know on what day your

Lord is coming. (Mt.24:42)

(Moxy...nice illustration!)

Greetings, J.C.MacHislopp

" One who has an accurate knowledge
of God's Word will have no problem
in refuting false religious ideas".

c5

I remember the countless times in service when we would show pple from the scriptures why the end was near, using the "generation" theory.
In the mid 90's, when the new understanding came out...I could not understand it at first. A teaching we had for so long was wrong now.....it was one of the first steps in motivating me to get out the borg

NeonMadman

Basically, as I understand it, the Society's current definition of the "generation" goes something like this:

"The generation that is alive when the end comes will not pass away before the end comes."

Tom
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it you had to explode." ---Bob Dylan

hillary_step

Hello,

I all fairness to the WTS, both views of the 'generation' which they have preached the past century are not unique to them. They did not originate these understandings but borrowed them from other bible interpreters.

The WTS have little if any exclusive doctrines, though they do have some exclusive prophetic interpretations, at least they did until FF died. Explore the historical development of all their basic doctrines and you will find their roots firmly planted in other faiths.

Basically they are long term plaigerists, robbing the theological graveyards of other peoples work, and cobbling together the bits and pieces to produce a lumbering religous Frankenstein, all carefully stiched together with some very cunning marketing angles.

There is a third alternative left to them over the 'generation' teaching; given enough time they will no doubt try this one as well.

Best regards - HS

LDH

What a bunch of bold faced liars!

Let's pick the words apart.

For example, we might say, ‘The soldiers of Napoléon’s generation knew nothing about airplanes and atom bombs.’ Would we be referring just to soldiers who were born in the very same year as Napoléon was? Would we be referring merely to those French soldiers who died before Napoléon did? Of course not; nor would we by such a use of “generation” be trying to fix a set number of years. We would, though, be referring to a relatively short period, not hundreds of years from Napoléon’s time into the future.

Would anyone care to answer the obvious question:

[red]HOW MANY YEARS PASSED BETWEEN NAPOLEON'S DEATH AND THE INVENTION OF THE FIRST AIRPLANE/ATOM BOMB?

WAS IT NOT, IN FACT, HUNDREDS OF YEARS?[/B]

And yet they say

not hundreds of years from Napoléon’s time into the future

I can't wait for Jehovah to rain down sulfur and brimstone onto old 117 Adams, 360 Furman, and all the rest.

Lisa

Moxy

HOW MANY YEARS PASSED BETWEEN NAPOLEON'S DEATH AND THE INVENTION OF THE FIRST AIRPLANE/ATOM BOMB?
WAS IT NOT, IN FACT, HUNDREDS OF YEARS?

actually no it wasnt. french revolution was 1789-1815. kittyhawk was 1903 and manhattan project was 1942. so the span isnt really 'hundreds' of years. but anyways, that isnt really the point they are trying to make here.

as i see it, they would like the reader to look at the simple statement, 'The soldiers of Napoléon’s generation knew nothing about airplanes and atom bombs' and decide exactly what it sounds like the author of the statement meant. would one need to find out when napoleon's birth and death were in order to understand exactly what the author meant? they say 'no' and i agree. this statement refers to a general time period and a short one at that. fine.

first thing, i dont know how much value we are supposed to get out of looking at equivalent english uses of 'generation' to understand the greek use of 'genea' but lets just ignore that for the moment. the problem with this analogy is the sentence lends itself to vague time descriptions because the statement is not time based. knowledge is a gradual thing. knowledge of aircraft, for example, predated kittyhawk strictly speaking. but even after the wright brothers historic flight, it wasnt really known by soldiers until WWI. so the very statement that 'airplanes werent known' does not require the reader to make time judgements, any more than you could point to a date on the calender when airplanes became 'known.'

if the statement were changed to an event based one, as i mentioned earlier, to read something like 'the people of napoleon's generation would live to see the effects of the french revolution in the american civil war.' or even more pointedly, 'would not pass way before seeing...' the tenor of the sentence changes to a specific time-based one and the reader IS required to make a judgement about which years napoleon belonged to and how long a lifespan is. if it were impossible for a person to live to see both napoleon and the american civil war, then my statement is false.

the naploeon analogy as used by the wt attempts to make the word 'generation' sound like a general vague description by using it in a general vague sentence, rather than in the very specific sentence that jesus did.

thats my take on it anyway.

mox

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