The court rulings against WTS will force what changes?

by OnTheWayOut 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    It seems that the best hope is that a litigious society will be the downfall of WTS.

    Workers at Bethel are "employees" entitled to rights, including worker's compensation.
    I can't wait until some long-time Bethelites successfully sue them after they get kicked
    out of Bethel while they are still hiring younger workers.

    They are not a beneficial charity organization because of their dangerous medical policies,
    so places like Britain might not allow their charity status.

    They don't qualify for clergy privilege of confidentiality because they are witch-hunters
    investigating instead of counseling. They argue in open court that they have no responsibility
    toward the congregation members who are told to trust them.

    Governments are recognizing that they need to take responsibility for the children's welfare
    if they face the blood issue.

    Elders will be on their own in lawsuits because WTS will protect itself above them. Either way,
    it hurts their pockets or it hurts their credibility. Nobody will want to be an elder.

  • civicsi00
    civicsi00

    I guess we'll see how deep the WT's pockets are, if they find their way outta this one... I, personally, hope they don't. I hope this causes a major downfall for many believers.

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    I think they're between a rock and a hard place. I've read a little about this case and it seems that one CA circuit court ruled that there is no clergy confidentially in JC cases since the results are not kept confidential and are reported to Bethel if DF'ing punishment is meted out. I also thought that the CA Supreme Court refused to hear the appeal of the lower courts decision, in effect, affirming it. I guess they're pushing this most recent case in a different CA circuit hoping for a different result. My guess is that the other circuit will look at the first circuit's ruling and the Supreme Courts refusal to hear the appeal and rule the same way.

    If that happens, the WTS will need to make 1 of 2 choices.

    1)Recognize that JCs are discoverable and mandate that any elder with knowledge of child abuse MUST report (and not from a pay phone, but a real report). That way, at least they will only have to deal with their previous liability and any elder that doesn't comply will be on their own. Of course, they will have many old cases that will need to be settled which will likely amplify their seemingly current cashflow problem (assuming it exists but since they refuse to report publicly on their financials here in the US, who knows).

    2) Drop the whole JC structure and basically refuse to disfellowship anyone. They can still take confession, but it would be to one designated elder who could offer "forgiveness" and maybe hand out punishment in terms of "restrictions". Anyone given restrictions would then be clued in that something has happened and they should limit their association with that person. Of course, that would be very similar to the Catholic set-up which the WTS has derided for years as being unscriptural.

    My guess is that there is no way they would ever drop disfellowshipping because if they did, they would lose way too many people. They need that threat of cutting a person off from their social circle to be able to keep control. Its really the only stick they have. Also, they risk losing hard core believers who will point to the disfellowshipping process as proof of the "true" religion.

    So, they're really left with #1. But, I think that's going to cost them quite a bundle in the short term because in my opinion, #1 would be an admission that their current policy is deficient and would be used to increase litigation short term. But, of course, #1 should have been the policy the whole time because protecting children from predators should have been a top priority. Its obviously not a priority at all.

    To answer the initial question, yes, court rulings against the WTS are the ONLY thing that will cause any positive change.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Doubting Bro and others. I think like you. This is between a rock and a hard place.

    I think that way down the road, they will abandon the JC process entirely. It won't happen
    easily or soon. They will make second offenses a DA act. No committee necessary.
    They won't order anyone to shun, but they will pressure them to do so for years and years
    until someone sues over that. Then people will leave in droves when there is nothing
    to fear from leaving.

    In the meantime though, they want to keep the threat of shunning in place.

    They must go to immediate #1 actions. They will instruct the elders to follow procedure,
    and tell them they are on their own if they don't. Procedure will include buzzwords like
    "in your best judgment" so that the WT lawyers can say the local elders used "poor judgment."
    In the longrun, this will cause a few elders to get sued and many elders to relinquish the title.
    They will be forced to consolidate congregations just to have enough elders for each one.

    That will further help the cashflow problems for awhile, as halls will be sold off.

    I just don't know how long this will take. I love speculating on the downfall.

  • heyfea
    heyfea

    If the WTS wants to be alive for a long time, they will have to do what other Christian denominations do: $$upport their leaders and TRAIN them, with secular studies, including psychiatric training AND guarantee them 100% legal help. Elders should be completely capable to handle every aspect a congregations presents before them, 24/7; they shouldn't be working from 9-5 and then go rushing home to get realdy for a half ass prepaired meeting.

  • Poztate
    Poztate

    The Pinheads should get out of the "crime" area of DF'ing. If anyone comes to an elder or tries to start a JC based on CRIMES such as child molestation or murder or robbery they should be told to report it to the authorities FIRST. They should also be advised that anything they had admitted to the elders so far WILL be turned over to the police to deal with not them.

    The WT has always claimed to follow the high road in life. It is about time they lived up to their claims.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    A religion should be a safe environment for people to grow and learn. At most religion can teach faith, model morals, and lead worship. If a religion wants to be involved in people's private business and their private lives, they must be willing to pay for that involvement. So far the Watch Tower has shown they are willing to pay to stay involved in member's private business.

    The more the Witnesses deny they're a cult, the more they behave like one.

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