Terry you're wanting a rational explanation for something that is a matter of faith. Which at it's very foundation, is believing in something unbelievable.
A STUNNINGLY simple question about JOHN 3:16 "For God so Loved the world."
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Perry
Well, now you've gone and done it, Perry!
You've put the final nail in the coffin of Justice.
God only saves whom He leads by spirit. The saving and the leading originate from the same place as the condemnation! It is the WHIM of Him who condemns and who saves.
Terry, you have a mind like a steel trap. Only you would be able to find something irregular with this since this seems to be exactly how many of our own courts work ..... condemnation and at times leinency emanating from the same bench. All are guilty, the judge is free to do as he wishes.
The elect are God's shills (in Perry's way of thinking.)
They are called and chosen and the rest will go on losing no matter how hard their game or sincere their efforts because God has rigged the game.
Terry you know you are lying. All are called, few are chosen. God didn't rig anything. You are living in an illusion of freedom. This is what was inherited from Adam.... the self-centeredness..... the vanity that all creation was subjected to. You believe that you could choose God if you wanted to, but you just don't want to.
I'm telling you that you can't choose Christ unless it is granted you. Your efforts are meaningless. You'll never be able to get past yourself.
When Adam fell, he fell not just to his knees, not just on his face....when he fell, he fell all the way bubba. Down into a dark pit of blindness.
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Perry
John 3:16 means, in the final analysis, "For God so loved the world of pre-selected persons only (You May Have Already Won!) that He gave his only begotten Son....."
Yuck.
Terry,
You have never quoted the rest of the scripture.....thus twisting it's meaning. The best part is "whosoever". The call is open to all mankind. Do all come? No. Does God draw some to Jesus, Yes.
The whosoevers come. Whosoever believeth on him might not perish but have everlasting life. Even in his grace God exposes the depravity of man...... they can't even come unless he helps them to.
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restrangled
Terry, you are asking for an answer that is intangible or inpalpable. The answer is based on faith, that God will answer these questions in the end......that everything will be justified, and all questions answered.
I have plenty questions of my own:
Why was Christ subjected to such torture?!
Why at that time period and not another where the punishment would have been less to deal with?
Why be tortured at all?
If it was a ransom sacrafice, why did Adam not suffer as Christ did?
If Adam had produced children prior to his transgression, would those children have remained perfect and not subject to death and this entire subject be moot?
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Perry
Why does God even have to save mankind from God's own wrath? Senseless tautology.
God doesn't "have to" save anyone. People with reprobate minds constantly put words in God's mouth and proceed to tell the world what is wrong with him.
Truth is not in you Terry. You are from your father the devil.
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Homerovah the Almighty
Isn't religion like a broken plate that has been shattered into thousand pieces, no matter how hard you try to make the pieces fit together again they never do.
Maybe it would be better for us to come to realize and acknowledge the bible is a book of a thousand stories, told thousands of years ago, by many people.
Instead lets make common sense prevail and dominate are thoughts and direction and let go of hopeful delusion, it could be better for humanity in the long run.
Amen
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hillary_step
Perry,
Terry you know you are lying. All are called, few are chosen.
On the contrary Terry has you wrapped in noodles and boxed in logic.
Now, can you explain why few are chosen? Are you chosen? If so, what is so special about you Perry? Is it that your faith is a little more attractive than those who are called but NOT chosen?
HS
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Homerovah the Almighty
Good one Hillary, Perry just might be the chosen one........in his own mind
And we know Terry's father is not the devil , you self-righteous scum bag !
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Homerovah the Almighty
The story of Jah continues, stay tuned for next weeks discussion which will on " Paradise lost, Paradise regaining " it should be a good one.
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chrisjoel
I cant believe the Dishonesty on the part of some "christians"...(.Perry..ahem ahem....)...Your reluctance for an unbiased response to such a simple question shows the degree to which you will go, to hold on to whatever grip this particular holy book has on you. I assure you Perry I understand your view...let me sum it up : God owns us, and has a perfect moral standard(?) and when Adam rebelled we are now accountable to HIM.(Hebrew 9:27)...WE deserve Gods JUdgment for our sin....meaning we endorse adams sin!..(GOT IT RIGHT EH!)...We cant earn his forgiveness we get it as a Gift..The substitute "Jesus" God gave so we can have an escape plan..SO this life was a satisfactory value offering for the rest of us.If we dont accept this we go to hell.....Since you wont answer it Perry..I ll. answer to the question its simple Perry. JOHN 3 16 "For God so loved the world that He gave his own begotten son....." on what basis could God offer his Son if the Ademic prospective world of mankind had entered the "sin state"....On the basis that if he didnt it would have marked a MISTAKE in the text.....the story requires a sacrifice. IT IS MYTH....The same God who brought animals to Adam for him to choose a wife from. If Adam had FOUND a suitable mate from among the animals this never would have happened. No requirement for sacrifice. The ridiculous nature of the Genesis account supplies us with the answer that John 3 16 just like many other texts .. is an attempt by the author to supply a development of a much more ancient mythic characters ....You have a disatrous misunderstanding of the Bible and its origins. The bible shows connections with foreign dying and rising myths.......enough said.