Why Nazis Won't Save the Watchtower

by metatron 13 Replies latest jw friends

  • metatron
    metatron

    Yep, here we go again --- YET ANOTHER article about a
    Witness surviving Nazi persecution (Awake Dec.22, 01)
    The Society seems obsessed with Nazis - I would think
    given the age of such survivors, that this obsession will
    shortly come to an end - many of these people must be in their
    eighties or so.

    For many tired, discouraged Witnesses there is an important
    claim here - Divine Favor

    A tired elder told me that "Jehovah didn't allow the Nazis
    to destroy JWs , so he won't allow the organization to fall
    apart today".

    Sorry, wrong again. Take a good look at a partial list
    of countries that suffered under Nazi or Fascist rule:

    Germany
    France
    Spain
    Netherlands
    Czech Republic
    Belgium
    Austria
    Japan
    Denmark
    Poland

    Guess What? Everyone of these nations suffered a loss
    of publishers last year.

    Nazis aren't going to save the Watchtower from
    decline and defeat. Why should they? An organization
    that is nearly as nihilistic (99.9% of the human race
    will die at Armageddon) as the Nazis doesn't deserve
    to survive.

    They might have learned mercy, compassion, justice and
    charity from what the Fascists lacked - instead the
    Watchtower is just another authoritarian/corporate
    regime that will justly fade away into history.

    metatron

  • waiting
    waiting

    Good points, metatron,

    I also think another reason why Nazi memories are brought up is that it's hard to keep Satan in front of everybody. So bringing another enemy - one that was defeated by "sticking close to Jehovah" keeps the enemy close in mind.

    It also keeps "spiritual jw heros" before the R&F.

    waiting

  • edward gentry
    edward gentry

    the witnesses love to roll out those old stories about nazi officers who approached a magazine courier but were scared off by the two BIG guys either side of him, and the big guys had WINGS!
    Witnesses not being destroyed by the nazis, Big Deal, in the end EVERYONE beat the nazis.
    right?

    Hey Metatron, my guardian spirit is Humwawa!

  • openminded
    openminded

    Didn't the Nazis persecute homosexuals as well? What does that prove? The Witnesses should be thanking guys like my grandpa who fought(and risked his own life) and helped defeat Hitler.

  • Grout
    Grout

    Nazis are useful rhetorical targets because no one of consequence sticks up for them (and rightly so).

    There's a rule on Usenet called Godwin's Law. It states that as a thread grows, the chance of someone mentioning Hitler or the Nazis approaches certainty. Also, whoever first brings them up is deemed to have lost the argument; and the thread ends immediately.

    --
    Chip Salzenberg: Free-Floating Agent of Chaos

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    metatron,if the jws have their way.Their organization will do a better job of exterminating people than the Nazis HOLOCAUST!..BILLIONS of people DEAD!..evil is evil in anyones name...OUTLAW

  • TheOldHippie
    TheOldHippie

    A question for edward gentry:
    In what book or magazine does the story appear which you relate to, that big guys with wings scared off a Nazi officer?

  • Norm
    Norm

    Shameless exploitation of tragic deaths

    Ever since WW2 the Watchtower Society has tried to make the most out of the tragic deaths of 635 Witnesses in Hitler’s camps and prisons, before, and during the war.

    Apparently dissatisfied with the number of dead, they have contiguously tried to increase the figures all the time, ever since. The thought behind this seem to be that only 635 dead isn’t quite sufficient to create the right amount of goodwill, they so sorely need.

    Anyone dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses will sooner or later be reminded of how horribly they suffered in Nazi Germany. Often totally out of context and unrelated to the subject discussed, this argument is brought forth. In correspondence with government officials, journalists etc, one often see this argument used, even though it is totally out of any context whatsoever. Apparently it is regarded as some sort of magic argument, which will immediately open all doors, and invalidate anything else.
    ”No one can blame us for lying and cheating and killing people, because we suffered during the Nazi Years.” This seems to be the logic behind the Watchtower reasoning.

    And with that kind of thinking the actual number of Witnesses, who perished doesn’t seem to be enough. 635, human lives seem so utterly pale in comparison with the huge number of Jews, Gypsies, yes, and even homosexuals who died during the Hitler years. So they have to get the number of dead up, up. The more the better. More dead, more credibility.

    Already in 1950 they started to exaggerate the number of dead:

    “Already during the Hitler regime about 1,000 Jehovah's witnesses were executed as traitors, because they not only refused to serve in the war but openly opposed Hitler's authority. Another 1,000 of Jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps,” The Watchtower December 15. 1950, page 500.

    As we can see they have rounded up the number to an even 2000 dead.

    “That is why during the Nazi regime in Germany from 1933
    to 1945 Jehovah's witnesses in that land refused to heil Hitler! as their Fuehrer
    or Leader, and went to concentration camps and prisons, where 2,000 died
    cruel deaths, and of the 8,000 that came out alive, 2,000 were invalided for
    the rest of their lives.” The Watchtower February 15. 1951, page 105-106.

    The year after they again mention the round figure of 1950, 2000 dead.

    “Hitler, a Roman Catholic, the arm of his church in Germany,
    forbade Jehovah's witnesses to preach the kingdom of God, and these
    modern-day Christians had to say to Hitler's Gestapo police: 'Whether it is
    righteous in the sight of God to listen to you rather than to God, judge for
    yourselves.' They kept preaching even though 10,000 of them were put in
    concentration camps and over 4,000 died there. The rest nearly starved to
    death. The war's end aided their survival.”
    The Watchtower January 1. 1964, page 13.

    As we can see here in 1964, they have again doubled the number of dead, now it has reached 4000.

    So from the war’s end in 1945, to 1964, in 19 years they had managed to make 635 dead into 4000 dead.

    Then in 1974 the Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses printed the history of their activities in Germany, and since Armageddon were due the next year, in 1975, a little honesty might come in handy, so here we got the most reliable number of casualties during the Nazi years:

    Germany (Part One)
    "But despite the hard conditions, how those who worshiped Jehovah rejoiced! They had been privileged to prove their integrity to the Sovereign Ruler of the universe. During Hitler's rule 1,687 of them had lost their jobs, 284 their businesses, 735 their homes and 457 were not allowed to carry on their trade. In 129 cases their property had been confiscated, 826 pensioners had been refused their pensions and 329 others had suffered other personal loss.
    There were 860 children who had been taken away from their parents. In 30 cases
    marriages had been dissolved due to pressure by political officials, and in 108 cases
    divorces had been granted when requested by mates opposed to the truth. A total of 6,019 had been arrested, several two, three or even more times, so that, all together, 8,917 arrests were registered. All together they had been sentenced to serve 13,924 years and two months in prison, two and a quarter times as long as the period since Adam's creation.
    A total of 2,000 brothers and sisters had been put into concentration camps, where they had spent 8,078 years and six months, an average of four years. A total of 635 had died in prison, 253 had been sentenced to death and 203 of these had actually been executed. What a record of integrity!"
    Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses 1974, page 212.

    As usual Brooklyn shows its love for numbers by throwing in a totally irrelevant array of figures here. Everything to create a picture of something really gigantic. It’s all reminding of their assembly reports, where they tell us how many tons of potatoes etc, was consumed during the assembly.

    Anyway, during the seventies they stuck to these figures but later it all started again. Now the tendency is to use outside, non-Watchtower sources, so-called “scientists” or “historians” to pump up the numbers again. One such example we find here:

    “The book Mothers in the Fatherland reported: “[Jehovah’s Witnesses] were sent to concentration camps, a thousand of them were executed, and another thousand died between 1933 and 1945. . . . Catholics and Protestants heard their clergy urge them to cooperate with Hitler. If they resisted, they did so against orders from both church and state.” The Watchtower January 1. 1989, page 21.

    This trick of quoting an outside source, which again is using the Watchtower as its source is not new. This method of “whitewashing” their own false figures is very deceptive. “Oh, this isn’t our numbers; the “researchers” have found it all out”. The source of the information in the “Mother of the Fatherland” book is quite evidently lifted from the Watchtower from 1950, which said:

    “Already during the Hitler regime about 1,000 Jehovah's witnesses were executed as traitors, because they not only refused to serve in the war but openly opposed Hitler's authority. Another 1,000 of Jehovah's witnesses died in prisons and concentration camps,” The Watchtower December 15. 1950, page 500.

    So by using this trick they are able to increase the number to 2000 again in 1989.
    Time will show if they make any attempts to get the number up to 4000 again, or if they will be satisfied with 2000.

    The record show the Watchtower Society’s complete ruthlessness when it comes to use the horrible fate of the victims of the Nazi’s in an attempt to gain sympathy and acceptance from authorities and the general public. Particularly in Germany, where they are trying to gain recognition as a Church from the German state.

    In 1994 and 1995, the Watchtower Society has staged several propaganda shows where they have tried to milk everything possible out of what happened during the Nazi years. In 1994, they held a seminar at the Holocaust museum in Washington DC on September 29th. In 1995 two arrangements was held in France. The first in Strasbourg, March 28. And in Paris two day’s later. By far the most important one from a propaganda point of view was the one held in Brandenburg, Germany on April 27th. The Watchtower Society had put together an exhibition with the theme “Memoire de Témoins” “Memories of the Witnesses”. The Awake! Magazine of June 8. 1996, which reported these gatherings seems very pleased with the effect. In order to lend this propaganda a bit more credibility they invited historians and politicians! In France they even got a former government member to say a few words. For those of us who have read the long and countless harangues of contempt heaped upon politicians and other non Jehovah's Witnesses printed in the Watchtower during the years, cannot but smile at such a transparent tactics.

    They must be pretty desperate in Brooklyn when they invite representatives for Satan’s system to be present, to make their propaganda more credible.

    Anyway, none of these attempts to appear more mainstream and “normal” has had any visible effect. In France the Jehovah's Witnesses enjoyed a 2% decrease in 1996, and in Germany there is stagnation. The German authorities weren’t very impressed either, because they did not grant the Watchtower Society their much desired status. That case is now pending before the German Supreme Court, and will probably be settled in 1998.

    According to Brooklyn the Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany was so incredibly “faithful” and no one compromised their faith. If that is true then something seems very strange. Let us have a look at some numbers:

    The Nazi’s came into power in 1933 and immediately made trouble for the Watchtower:

    *** yb74 108-9 Germany (Part One) ***
    On January 30, 1933, Hitler took over the position of Reich’s chancellor. On February 4 he issued a decree permitting the police to confiscate literature ‘endangering public order and security.’ This decree also restricted freedoms of assembly and press.
    The Watchtower yearbook tells us about the number of Witnesses in 1933:

    *** yb74 109-10 Germany (Part One) ***
    It was a testimony week filled with suspense. The enemy daily revealed ever more clearly his determination to strike with unrelenting force. So it was just that much more encouraging when the report was compiled and it was found that 24,843 persons had attended the Memorial celebration, to compare with 14,453 the year before. The number of publishers active during the testimony period was likewise a cause for rejoicing: 19,268, in contrast to 12,484 during the Kingdom booklet campaign a year before. During the eight days of the campaign 2,259,983 of the Crisis booklet had been distributed.
    Here we are told that in 1932, 24,843 people attended the memorial, and that there were 19,268 reporting service.

    In the summer of 1933 a few moths after the Nazis took over the “work” of Jehovah's Witnesses were banned in Germany:

    *** yb74 110 Germany (Part One) ***
    BERLIN CONVENTION ON JUNE 25, 1933
    By the summer of 1933 the work of Jehovah’s witnesses had been banned in the majority of German states. The brothers’ homes were being searched regularly and many brothers had been arrested. The flow of spiritual food was partially hampered, although only for a time; still many brothers were asking how long it would be possible to continue the work. In this situation the congregations were invited on very short notice to a convention to be held in Berlin on June 25. Since it was expected that many would be unable to attend because of the various bans, the congregations were encouraged to send at least one or several delegates. But, as it turned out, 7,000 brothers got there. For many of them it took three days, some riding bicycles the entire distance, whereas others went by truck, since the bus companies refused to rent buses to a banned organization.
    Here we are told that out of 19,268 Witnesses only 7000 showed up for this important assembly. The fact is it wasn’t even 7000 people there, probably less than 5000. How do we know? Well, the 1934 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses which published the famous Declaration and Rutherford’s letter to Hitler, uses the figure of 5000 attendants, which is probably also exaggerated. In a few months the number of Witnesses in Germany had been reduced to one third. Talk about being faithful eh? 14,268 people didn’t attend the assembly. Of course there was all kinds of reasons people couldn’t attend but even when me make room for those, let us be kind and say that only half of the 19,268 Witnesses evaporated, is that such a monument of uncompromising faith?

    Let’s hope the Watchtower Society will let the victims of the Nazi years and President Rutherford’s extremely stupid dispositions during that time finally rest in peace.
    It is indeed sad and depressing to behold the disgusting and revolting display the Watchtower Society put on, in order to save their flagging membership and reputation.

    Norm.

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    Norm, could we please stop this unappropriate figure thing? Thankyou.

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    I have got in touch with several Stand Firm events in Germany. The interesting thing is that many of the Zeitzeugen were not active or at the border of the congregation until they were activated for Stand Firm.

    Now they are doing service by traveling through Europe and writing books and are in the focus of their brethren.

    In one case where a JW was raised by his mother, after the mother was imprisoned her two sons went to war. Both later became JW again, one committed suicide. The remaining one is used today as a zeitzeuge by the Society telling about his experience as a child. He tells - even to the Society - that his brother died in a traffic accident.

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