elders testify

by isaacaustin 50 Replies latest jw friends

  • DJK
    DJK

    Yes Flipper they did lie their hind's off. I recently asked my father, a former elder, about record keeping and this was his reponse.

    Each matter may be handled according to whether it concerns : a personal problem an individual has perhaps a drinking problem that could result in disfellowshipping if it became habitual, an extramarital affair that has surfaced to the extent that it has become common knowledge, an accusation against an elder in the congregation,etc. All of these plus any other serious offense that resulted in disfellowshipping would require notification to the WTS. In addition, a file would be kept by the local Judicial committee. If the disfellowshipped person should seek to be re-instated, he/she would need to approach the original committee with their request. The committee would inform the WTS of their decision in the matter. The re-instated one would be put on a probationary period for years depending on the seriousness and public noteriety of his/her offense. This period of probation would require that t hat one would have no privileges of oversight in the congregation. This action is necessary to protect the reputation of the congregation, but most importantly to prevent Jehovah's name from suffering reproach. This has been the policy of the WTS as long as I have been a member
  • sir82
    sir82

    Y'know, it seems to me that one of the primary weapons the JW lawyers have is the ignorance of the DA regarding official JW judicial procedures.

    "Notes? Elders don't take notes of judicial procedures!" Ri-i-i-i-ight. But to someone who has never been an elder, well, sounds plausible.

    I would think that for anyone taking a case like this to trial, the first thing they should do is spend time with the prosecutor, hours if needed, and make sure that he understands the JW hierarchy, procedures, etc. Print out the PDF of the flock book, try to find a ex-elder who will be willing to fill in details, etc.

    A skilled DA should be able to punch holes in the typical JW attorney defense, if he has the background knowledge needed.

  • flipper
    flipper

    I agree with DJK, yes the elders did lie their tails off ! And Sir 82, also you are right ; if District attorneys knew more about the procedure dealing with " serious " sin in the congregation then they would see there was no excuse for these elders to claim they had no notes or records

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    ok the part that kills me is the parents not going to the police. I was having a discussion with a former elder buddy, (his story is classic borg politics), and it was like hey my kid was molested, here's the asswipes address, u had better get there b4 I do. what is wrong with these parents?

  • DJK
    DJK

    Does anyone have an update on this case?

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    http://www.mydesert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080416/NEWS08/80416002

    Closing arguments begin today

    Closing arguments today in Murrieta molestation trial The Desert Sun wire services

    Closing arguments are due to get under way today in the case of a man accused of molesting two underage sisters in Murrieta.

    Gilbert Simental, 49, is charged with three counts of lewd acts with a child under 14 and an allegation that multiple victims were involved.

    He faces 45 years to life if convicted on all charges, according to Deputy District
    Attorney Burke Strunsky.

    Another case involving a third girl has not yet come to trial.

    Simental's alleged crimes came to light when the mother of two girls approached school officials and said her daughters were molested by the defendant.

    The older of the two sisters testified last week that the defendant first touched her during a pool party and sleepover at his Murrieta home.

    She and her sister were friends with the 49-year-old defendant's daughter, who was
    about the same age as the younger girl.

    The girls' family and the defendant's family belonged to the same Jehovah's Witnesses congregation in Murrieta.

    The girl said Simental touched her thighs as the children played in his pool and then again later that night while she was on an air mattress in his living room. She said she awakened to find him lying next to her on the mattress.

    ``He was just touching my legs and stuff,'' she testified.

    The child said she protested but the defendant just said ``shhh'' andcontinued.

    ``I didn't really get it,'' she said. ``It made me feel weird, so I knew it was wrong.''

    The girl said she turned over on her stomach in the hopes that the defendant would go away, but he continued touching her.

    ``I turned and he just wouldn't stop,'' the girl said.

    Simental allegedly touched the child over her clothes and under her bra and pajama shorts.

    The mother of the sisters testified that both her daughters told her in July 2006 that they had been touched by the defendant.

    She said she didn't call police but did call church elders.

    The woman also told a teacher about the alleged molestation, and school officials called police.

  • oneairhead
    oneairhead

    You know, weather you like him or not Bill Orielly on Fox hates child abusers and the judges who let them go. Does anyone have a connection to get him information on the Jdubs. He would likely run with it.

    One

  • DJK
    DJK

    I just sent a note to this e-mail address. [email protected].

    It might be interesting if he recieved a lot of e-mails.

  • DJK
    DJK

    Darn, my note came back by the mailer demon.

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    Re notetaking :

    Pay Attention To the Flock (1991 edition) p120

    "Using the forms provided by the Society, the branch
    office should be notified of the person's name, the Scriptural
    reason for the disfellowshipping, and the date of
    the action . (S-77 and S-79 forms)
    A brief review of the evidence that was presented should
    also be given .
    A similar report is made when a person disassociates
    himself from the organization . (S-77 and S-79 forms)
    A written summary of the case should be prepared by the
    committee and put in a sealed envelope to be placed in the
    congregation file ."

    Correction, in the U K anyway, Does anybody know about the U S policy? Scroll down to Atlantis' post showing the Society's letter about Judicial Records.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/133855/1.ashx

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