EVE not to blame for sin entering the world. Just how does this work?

by Terry 17 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Terry

  In our New Testament (Christian Greek Scriptures for all you JW's out there) we are given an equation for Sin and Salvation.

  ADAM (the first man) and JESUS (the second Adam).

  Through the first man, Adam sin entered the world and death through sin. Through Jesus, the second Adam, salvation and the life giving spirit.

  WHAT HAPPENED TO EVE?

  Is it simply a matter of including Eve would mean ruining the simplicity of the equation?

  Why was Eve punished if she didn't have any part in bringing sin into the world? Why were ALL WOMEN put under the thumb of man when man is the one attributed with bringing sin and death into the world?

  Smell something funny in all this?
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  oompa

  C'mon Terry, they were ONE flesh....so she does not even get a mention since women were slighted at every opportunity.....oompa
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  journey-on

  Sin means "missing the mark of perfection". Man (Adam) was perfect in the beginning. The Tree of the Knowledge

  of Good and Evil was placed in the Garden long before Eve was "cloned" from Adam's rib. Adam walked by that tree

  day in and day out and never once even thought about disobeying the directive by eating of it. Not until the Woman was created did

  the gift of free will become harder to use and accept. Now there was the yin and yang...the push and pull of opposites....male and

  female....another factor added to the drama. Male is the active/creative force and Female is the receptive/passive force. Adam

  sinned because he knowingly rejected his knowledge of good and accepted the evil of disobedience knowingly. Eve was deceived

  and manipulated, yet she still committed the sin of temptation and some form of judicial punishment should and would be required. Adam knew

  full well what he was about to do would release the vibration of disobedience into the world and the paradisaical existence of man would

  change forever. The mark of perfection would be gone and without perfection there would be no life everlasting. Man, at that moment, took

  the gift of free will completely and became soley responsible for the consequences of the choices he makes.
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  Gopher

  Good question Terry. I'm trying to make sense of it too.

  A weird theory I came up with: Maybe Eve's sin was "running ahead of the headship of Adam", and Adam's sin was the disobedience of his family? So Eve and womankind would have to learn to keep their place under non-paradise conditions?
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  gaiagirl

  The "official JW answer" is that Eve was truly deceived by the serpent, however Adam knew better, and still chose to eat the fruit. Interesting to note that everything the serpent told them was true, namely:
  1) Adam and Eve did NOT die "in the day" of eating the fruit. Adam and Eve certainly would not have interpreted Jehovahs threat to mean that they would die within 1000 years. Further, they did not "lose" everlasting life, as they had not yet eaten of the tree of life, so they were built to eventually age and die, just like animals. In other words, they were never "perfect".
  2) Adam and Eve's eyes WERE opened, just as the serpent promised. In Jehovahs' own words "They have become like US".
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  yknot

  1Tim 2:14

  14 Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and came to be in transgression.

  My kiddie TMS conductor used this scripture to show that Adam who had spent time in Eden and God directly knew better and ate without benefit of deception while newbie 'woman' was clueless and really believed the serpent was speaking the truth.

  Ultimately the test of the tree wasn't about 'woman' it was about Adam's loyalty to God. She was just Satan's set-up and delivery, he could have refused.

  Romans 5:12

  12 That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned—.

  BTW it wasn't until after being kicked out of Eden did 'woman' receive the name Eve or get pregnant. This means based on the female cycle she was only in Eden for a week to maximum 2 weeks before coming into transgression. Also in Gen. 3:16 we see 'woman's ' punishment of painful labor and the desire of her husband (yea there is a chemical need to have male approval, and yes it is our downfall and it totally sucks) and that he would lord it over us (women) in a dominate fashion.

  But that is just what I was told...........
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  brinjen

  Good question Terry, it's one I've wondered about myself.

  The understanding I always got from the WTS was Eve was deceived as she didn't have the intelligence to tell that the snake was lying to her. Adam, on the other hand, should have known better as he had the penis brains.

  Eve was still punished regardless as she still listened to the snake and gave into her temptations, we've all been paying the price since yada yada yada.

  I don't get it either.
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  quietlyleaving

  How bout this scenario

  The owner of the estate (the garden of Eden) was a very rich landowner and Adam and Eve were some of his slaves. Eve was pretty radical and decided that enough was enough and did not want to be a slave anymore (a sort of slave revolt). Her husband thought oh oh we're going to be in trouble with the owner but maybe we can go hide somewhere. The owner found out and punished them for their insubordination. From then on the landed gentry got to maintain their class system whilst the working class folk learnt to keep their place or else.
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  WTWizard

  I don't believe that either of the first two humans (or Satan) was responsible for introducing sin into the world. Jehovah was. He created problems where none needed to exist. And Satan, who was responsible for the human race, did his job beyond the call of duty. He saw Jehovah creating rules that would have stagnated mankind, and did what was necessary to protect humans from that. And Jehovah pounced on them, envious that they got out from under His greedy thumb, and vengeful as to curse them.

  So much for the Devil being something to be feared or God to be venerated.
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  kerj2leev

  This myth has only one truth that has been proven........women are never satisfied! She couldn't just be happy with a perfect world....oh no....she needed more!