No, I think she believes me. I just mean, that she isn't willing to think about it. It's too hard for her to imagine leaving at this point. She validates me; she'll say things like, "I know it's hard, but you just have to keep with it." She agrees with a lot of what I say, but she doesn't get that you can't hang on to something wrong or false, just because it's easier than causing waves. You know? I think everyone has their own agenda. Whatever circumstances they left the WTB&TS in, that's what they want to drive home. No mean to offend...but I personally don't care about dates being wrong and them seeing new light. I personally don't think that is the societies biggest fault. It's that they claim to understand more than they do. And what's the harm in stating "we don't know." At the meetup some people had brought books and charts to show how wrong they were. I personally, think my energy would be better spent, not trying to point out the flaws and wrong that the society has done. Many of the men there had been elders at some point. The two I talked to focused a lot on how they were driven out of their positions in the congregation and they left soon after. That's what I mean when I say it was a different side of the same coin. They were still hung up on position. The terms they used, like 'I had to step down' or 'in 1976 I MADE ELDER' bothered me. I'm trying to get away from the position being the focal point of my spirituality. When you are so busy trying to campaign for position, where does Jehovah fit in? And when you are so focused on the pain of being thrown out of that position, how do you heal and move on?