I'm as gay a a goose!!! welcome str8. i'm one of the older gay ones here. been off and on the board for a number of years. fighting with the fundies who have mostly abandoned the site to people who want to accept one another and help each other recovery from the Watchtower. I've been out for 20 years now. It is incomprehensible to my new friends how being shunned can affect one psychologically. I lost dozens if not hundreds of friends and family members all at once, one day in July of 1988. Its been a struggle. But life is a struggle and I've learned that its a struggle for everybody, gay straight, witness non witness. Life is simply tough. Shunning is a factor that makes it tougher. I tried everything to establish a relationship with my parents and my brother's family but to no avail. My mother once told me she'd rather me be dead that be gay. While she tries to hide these feelings from me now at the end of her life, I know that this is still basically how she feel.s My brother once told me that I was worthless. My father once asked me which one of us was the woman. They are deeply buried in their ignorance. I'm on the road, looking for pals. Take care. Look forward not back. PS. Junction guy. If you were not born gay, you are not gay. There is little contention within the gay community over what gay means. There are a variety of ways that people express their gayness from drag queens to leather men to bears to circuit boys to the great majority of gays who simply find a partner, settle down, buy a house and travel a lot. But every gay i've ever spoken with and i've spoken with thousands agrees that 1) they were born gay and 2) being gay means you want sex with another man or woman as the case may be.