Windfall taxes on Oil Companies - for it or against it?

by UnConfused 38 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • maxwell
    maxwell

    If windfall taxes are applied, what prevents them from raising prices in the future to account for the windfall taxes.

    If oil companies are being given tax breaks (and I wouldn't be surprised if they were being given tax breaks), I certainly think those should be removed. Let them face the market without any corporate welfare. Demand is very strong for the product.

    I generally agree that it will take high prices driven by the market to force either a culture change or the development of a sustainable fuel. The fact is Americans like driving around in powerful gasoline powered vehicles. Some people can't imagine life without their car. And we've exported the desire for American luxury all over the world. Gasoline powered cars are a inextricable part of living it up the American/western way. People in developing countries want that too. Demand will only get higher.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    Smash the monopolies. Eliminate the subsidies. Talk about a windfall tax has been going on for years as the bellyaching has rumbled along ..nobody does a thing. Nobody wants to do anything - kind of like the big pharma companies. This article is from 2006 and the talk is still the same. ...sammieswife.

    As Oil Company CEOs Prepare to Testify, Congress Should Pursue Windfall Profits Tax
    Statement of Tyson Slocum, Acting Director of Public Citizen’s Critical Mass Energy Program

    WASHINGTON - March 13 - On Tuesday, executives from America’s six biggest oil companies will be defending their record profits before the Senate Judiciary Committee at a time when Americans have been paying record high prices for oil and natural gas. Considering that these record profits are due in part to anti-competitive practices by the major oil companies and that President Bush has said we need to finance alternative energy so we are not “addicted to oil,” a windfall profits tax on oil company earnings is necessary to protect consumers from high prices and to fund alternative energy, conservation and mass transit solutions.

    In 2005, the six companies testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee – ExxonMobil, ChevronTexaco, ConocoPhillips, BP, Shell and Valero – enjoyed profits of $112 billion. Since Bush took office, these companies have accumulated profits of $321 billion.

    Oil companies downplay these earnings, highlighting the small profit margins (typically around 8 to 10 percent) that measuring net income as a share of total revenues produces when compared to other industries.

    But measuring earnings as a share of revenues is not an accurate calculation of return on investment. In fact, when communicating to Wall Street and investors, companies like ExxonMobil emphasize a completely different methodology to measure profitability, as evidenced by the following excerpt from the company’s 2004 annual report: “ExxonMobil believes that return on average capital employed is the most relevant metric for measuring financial performance in a capital-intensive industry such as” petroleum.

    ExxonMobil’s 2005 annual report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission shows that that company’s global operations enjoyed a 30.9 percent rate of return on average capital employed. The company’s rate of profit in the United States was even higher: domesticdrilling provided a 46 percent rate of return on average capital employed, while domestic refining returned 58.8 percent.

    This is why a windfall profits tax is justified. It will cost billions of dollars to finance the investments needed to shift our economy away from oil, provide more money to encourage energy efficiency in our homes and cars, and provide more capital for mass transit improvements. All of this can be done with the implementation of a windfall profits tax.

    Naysayers argue that the windfall profits tax didn’t work the last time we tried it. The windfall profits tax of 1980-88 was ineffective not because of the tax itself, but because oil prices fell shortly after enactment of the tax due to energy-conserving fuel economy standards that reduced demand and global events unrelated to U.S. tax policy. Congress enacted the tax in 1980 after U.S. oil company profits surged following the Iranian Revolution and the resulting Iran-Iraq war, which caused oil prices to increase from $14 per barrel in 1979 to $35 per barrel by January 1981. But after 1981, crude oil prices steadily decreased until bottoming out in 1986-87 as demand slackened and other oil-producing countries increased their output. As the value of the commodity subject to tax (oil) fell, the effectiveness of the tax diminished.

    But that was then. World oil markets aren’t going to collapse any time soon, because the major oil producers are already producing at full capacity, unlike the 1980s.

    A windfall profits tax is also justified because government investigations have found that oil company profits are partially tied to anti-competitive practices. A 2001 Federal Trade Commission investigation revealed evidence of unilateral withholding, which occurs when an oil company controls such a large share of the market that it doesn’t even need to collude with other companies to manipulate supplies and prices – it can do so on its own.

    And big oil companies certainly do control the market. In 1993, the five largest U.S. oil refining companies controlled 34.5 percent of domestic oil refinery capacity while the top 10 companies controlled 55.6 percent. By 2004, the top five companies – ConocoPhillips, Valero, ExxonMobil, Shell and BP – controlled 56.3 percent, and the top 10 refiners controlled 83 percent. So as a result of all of recent mergers, the largest five oil refiners today control more capacity than the largest 10 did a decade ago.

    The time for Congress to act is now.

  • wha happened?
    wha happened?

    they are private industry and any cost to them gets passed to us, so we will in effect, pay the tax.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    There is no free market in regards to oil companies. Of course the company always threatens with forced unemployment - the solution - regulation that breaks up the monopoly forcing competition and lowering the prices. The oil companies gouge because they are allowed to. They get billions in subsidies and tax breaks from the government and they laugh all the way to the bank. Demand in the USA has gone down for the second straight year - those subsidies can be used to invest in greener energy and regulating the industry at the same time provides much needed relief until that energy kicks in. Pretty simple....sammieswife.

    WASHINGTON - With big oil companies earning huge profits, US lawmakers want to take away some of the industry's tax breaks and use the money raised to promote alternative energy sources and energy conservation efforts.

    Energy legislation passed by the US House of Representatives last weekend would deny some $15 billionin tax breaks to oil and gas firms. Lawmakers, mostly Democrats, argued the companies could afford the loss.

    "This bill sets an example by closing loopholes and repealing generous tax breaks to oil and gas companies enjoying record profits," said Rep. Charles Rangel, who heads the House's tax writing committee, when the legislation passed.

    Still, the White House has threatened to veto the bill over the repealed tax breaks.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, whose chamber passed its energy bill in June, said on Thursday that President George W. Bush was more interested in "giving massive tax breaks to oil companies, while consumers pay more at the pump."

    The House legislation targets three industry tax breaks.

    The biggest loss would repeal reduced tax rates on the income companies earn on the domestic oil and gas they produce and sell, costing the industry $11.4 billion over 10 years.

    Companies also would be limited in claiming foreign tax credits on their overseas oil and gas extraction income, which would raise another $3.6 billion over a decade.

    Companies would also have to take longer, seven years instead of five, to write off certain costs for exploring for oil and gas, bringing in $103 million over 10 years.

    The industry is crying foul, arguing repealing the tax breaks would discourage oil and gas production and cost American workers their jobs.

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    Burn,

    Would you invest in a business if you knew that once it became profitable the government would come in change the rules and take it?

    This has been happening for 30 years. Only it's the American middle class that has suffered. Certainly not the corps and their shareholders.

  • VoidEater
    VoidEater

    Would you invest in a business if you knew that once it became profitable the government would come in change the rules and take it?

    Ah, but I would not invest in a business I did not control. If the investor had to share in losses as well as profits, it would be a much more interesting (and perhaps more fair) dynamic.

    Of course we MUST pay regardless of price until the little dance we've set up around our culture (commuting in cars, for example) collapses. We do not "choose" to pay high heating oil prices because "it's worth it", we do it because we are over a barrel (ha ha) and have no choice. So too with gasoline.

    This is why there are anti-monoply and anti-collusion ("price fixing") laws - we are not a purely capitalistic society, nor should we be.

    Gasoline is functionally a utility, and should be a regulated one.

    For my next trick, I shall bridge the gap between theist and non-theist, settle differences between jihadism and the West, and bring peace to the Middle East. Thank Zeus it's so easy!

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    You've convinced me Void!

    I guess I'm easy

  • JCanon
    JCanon

    Everything for me has a potential "Illuminati" subplot. Since oil is so important to the operation of the US, not simply to get around but for the delivery of goods, which will affect prices on everything, it's encouraging that Armgeddon is in sight and inevitable. What's worse, Armageddon or if suddenly there is a critical oil shortage? No travel. No goods anyone can afford. Perhaps lack of heat and electricity. Everything probably is linked to oil, which has been taken for granted for the most part.

    The greater the threat and fear of world instability and especially US instability since they are the most advanced nation, the better it is for me with respect to anticipating Armageddon coming on the heels of a glogal economic disaster that sees the UN turning on the Illuminati and all religion.

    JC

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Only it's the American middle class that has suffered. Certainly not the corps and their shareholders.

    I am middle class.

    I am also a shareholder. Guess what my 401k rides on?

    You people here want to cut off your noses to spite your faces.

    Idiots.

    BTS

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Their profit margins aren't really all that out of line. Getting rid of the tax breaks that Bush and the Republican congress gave them would be a good idea though.

    That might be the way to go. BTS

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