What happened when Jesus didn't COME BACK QUICKLY? History shows...

by Terry 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    The greatest of love and peace to you!

    The "work" of a king... is to protect his/her people. The "work" of a priest... is to supplicate and offer up offerings for his/her people. What "good" king or priest would want ANY of his people to be lost?

    What I shared is what I received from God, through His Son, the Fine Shepherd... who gave his life on behalf of the world, as well for his sheep of whom he said he will not lose one, not even one. If HE is patient with us... who am I to lose patience? If he gave his life "on behalf of the world," then, obviously, he wanted the world... to live. If that's what HE wants... then that's what I want. Because he knows much better than I what is best for ALL of us.

    Thank you for your kinds words and, again, I bid you peace.

    Your servant, and a slave of Christ,

    SA

  • Terry
    Terry
    What does this mean? That the Most Holy One of Israel... will NOT act... until He has NO other choice. Unfortunately, that day WILL come. But it will be man who chooses it, not God.

    So, men control God by their behavior? I don't think so!

    God is not forced into action by the deeds of men.

    Men are, by his perfect standard, corrupt and worthy of death. He has pre-emptive summary execution written all over him.

    The children who made fun of Elisha were torn to shreds by a she bear which God sent to execute judgement. Was it more than Jehovah could "bear"?

    I think not.

    Men act according to their nature. Their human nature, that is. This human nature, since Adam, is de facto unworthy of life. It is only by God's special grace (undeserved kindness) they exist at all. {On another thread I raised the issue of how God justified UNDESERVED kindness toward man since there is no just basis. That went more or less unanswered.}

    The topic of this particular thread is WHAT HAPPENED WHEN JESUS DIDN'T COME BACK QUICKLY.

    I've stated that the high expectation of sudden reversal of status (faithful rewarded and wicked punished) held by Messianic Jews deteriorated into self-action (rebellion against Rome which brought swift destruction) and consequences. The Christianized Jews were divided into two camps more or less. One camp declared Jesus a new kind of Messiah (suffering and dying and resurrected). The other camp declared Jesus more than an ethnic liberator, but, a demi-god.

    Either way, the core subject here is MAN'S REACTION to his own expectations and how humans keep justifying failed expectations by changing their premise.

    God's mercy is just another way of saying "WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN DIDN'T HAPPEN."

    That makes your response fit in to the category of a kind of excuse or rationalization men come up with to explain the so-called delay.

    "Oh, God is showing mercy that is why Jesus hasn't returned yet."

    or

    "Oh, Jehovah is holding back on Armageddon so that every one who can be saved has a chance."

    None of this makes a bit of sense because the delay itself allows more time for more humans to be born THUS NEEDING MORE TIME FOR THEIR OWN CHANCE.

    See? What is needed is an addendum to the prophecy declaring no more children will be born to humanity after a certain point. The ones already alive are allowed to reach an age of maturity and choice. THEN, the end comes.

    But, that is too far-sighted, logical and plain spoken to have been set down in scripture.

  • Terry
    Terry
    If Jesus did return in 1914, why did no one see him? Even the Witnesses, then known as “Bible Students,” were still waiting for him to come in 1918. Not until years later in1929, did the Society “realize” that Jesus had returned in 1914 and that they had failed to notice! Despite expecting Jesus, they missed him.

    This argument seems to go right over the head of today's active Jehovah's Witness and I can only wonder, "why?"

    My own (former) best friend (and faithful JW) once told me plainly he didn't pay any attention to what happened before the 1920's in this religion!

    How con veeeeen yent! :)

    I think your average inductee into this belief system hears all about Pastor Russell and such and it goes in one ear and out the other. Why?

    IT MAKES NO DAMNED SENSE--so, they ignore it.

    What most JW's latch on to is that______something BIG_____i.e. World War I actually HAPPENED!

    JW's have to repeat the lie (yes, it is a huge lie) that Pastor Russell PREDICTED 1914 as being the year Jehovah's kindgdom under Christ Jesus would be set up.

    The truth, as we all know, is that Pastor Russell did NOT predict that at all. Pastor Russell predicted ARMAGEDDON!

    The excuse, back-peddling and fast-talking flip flops began when 1914 did NOT bring what Pastor Russell predicted!!

    From that date forward, 1914, the Russellites, International Bible Students, Jehovah's Witnesses and their ilk began living a lie.

    History has been twisted into a sham presentation that 1914 was the BEGINNING of the end. Not what Pastor Russell expected, preached, wrote about or taught.

    So, he was wrong!

    In keeping with the TOPIC above, this means the REACTION by Russellites and Rutherford, Franz, Ambrose, et al demonstrated their intellectual dishonesty by unwillingness to view the failed prophecy of Russell as REFUTATION and proof this was not a true prophet of god!

    Else, there would be no Jehovah's Witnesses or International bible students around today.

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    Yes Jesus will come quickly, he will split the eastern sky

    This works if the world is flat.

    However, those of us committed to a sphere realize the eat becomes west once you pass the midway point.

    Conversely, west becomes east once the midway point is passed.

    Jesus will touch down on the Mount of Olives - which is in the Middle East - according to Zechariah 14 and Acts 1.

    It will be as quick and as startling as lightning. Every eye will be able to see Him because of instant communication via satellite.

    All eyes are on the Middle East; stupendous things are going to happen over there. Stay tuned.

    Sylvia

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    As long as humans successfully copulate to the point of producing offspring, ALL of us......won't end!

    Logically, this permanently postpones God's putting an end to anything.

    Not if humanity is on the cusp of self-destruction, which is what Armageddon will be. In which case there would be no more new offspring.

    BTS

  • Terry
    Terry
    Every eye will be able to see Him because of instant communication via satellite.

    Don't get too carried away with your technology dreams! Are you aware that 90% of earth's population has never even made a phone call?!!

    Your logic is staggeringly unrealistic.

    Five billion people do not own television sets, for starters.

    So, what happens to your explanation in view of the reality of facts as they are?

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    So, men control God by their behavior? I don't think so!

    God is not forced into action by the deeds of men.

    False dilemma. God chooses to act temporally as he chooses to act. That is like saying that sin forced the sacrifice of Jesus. God was not forced, God willingly chose.

    BTS

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Don't get too carried away with your technology dreams! Are you aware that 90% of earth's population has never even made a phone call?!!

    Your logic is staggeringly unrealistic.

    Five billion people do not own television sets, for starters.

    So, what happens to your explanation in view of the reality of facts as they are?

    No dreams here, Terry.

    In the 16th chapter of Acts, Jesus had Paul carry His message into Europe ... I'll let your fertile mind connect the dots.

    Those who are not fortunate? enough to possess the latest technology are also the ones who won't be expecting Him, right?

    I think my explanation is more plausible than the invisible parousia!

    Sylvia

  • Terry
    Terry

    So, men control God by their behavior? I don't think so!

    God is not forced into action by the deeds of men.

    False dilemma. God chooses to act temporally as he chooses to act. That is like saying that sin forced the sacrifice of Jesus. God was not forced, God willingly chose.

    I've always wondered about statements that seem to say something, but, upon further reflection, don't say anything.

    You hear people, for example, say about some event: "It is what it is."

    Okay. What else would it be? What else could it be? I dunno.

    God chooses to act as he chooses to act. Okay. But, what makes god GOD is that He can see the future from one end to the other. Doesn't that put Him in a special category above "choice" in repsonse. The normal tensions of cause and effect are subverted by foreknowledge of events.

    Are you saying that sin DIDN'T force the sacrifice of Jesus? What did?

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    I've always wondered about statements that seem to say something, but, upon further reflection, don't say anything.

    You poor man.

    Who forces God but God?

    You? LOL. Maybe when you start to do the ex nihilo thing on your own.

    BTS

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