Does love exist ? (page 2)

llbh

How about approaching this subject using cause and effect.?

The effect that love has people is to move them in many ways like the love parents have for thier children. These things can be seen and are experienced

David

wha happened?

Love does exist but u usually have to pay extra for it

Yes it does. The effects of love can be measured as a physical event. There are changes in heart rate, perspiration, and pupil dilation. I recognize the eyes (probably fine movement of the muscles around the eye) of love.

Where does love come from? Would be a more interesting question.

VoidEater

BTS: And how is this different from a religious experience?

There are two responses that come to mind: 1) it is different in that the trigger for non-spiritual emotive experience can be traced (in theory) to a specific somatic or mental event, and a religious experience cannot always be so traced (the triggering event is supposed to come from a spiritual source); 2) there is no difference from a functional perspective since they both occur within the subjective realm of your innter world.

You would, theoretically, be able to measure the validity of the emotional experience of either; you would not neceesarily be able to trace the triggering mechanism of a religious experience.

Functionally, both are valid. Both are "real" experiences. The debate - due to the current level of observational technology - would center around the triggering mechanism of the valid experience. "Is it live or is it Memorex?" Is it imagination or The Divine? That part is still entirely up to you - belief in the Divine is, pure and simple, a choice.

Caliber: Did the birth of all emotion begin with your mind ?

Emotion takes place due to chemicals (hormones, proteins, really a grab bad of chemical messengers) being absorbed by receptors in the body (a primary focal point is the brain). Depending on your definition of "mind", emotion may be said to begin with your body. "Is it just pelvic contractions, or is it one big orgasm?" Depends on your point of view. Clearly, to me at least, other mammals experience emotions but do not have the same kind of mind that we do.

So I would say that emotion began with our bodies.

There may be another class of experiences that are more basic than "emotion".

jgnat

...and a defining question is needed as well. Which love are we talking about? The most interesting might be,

"Is there such a thing as unselfish love?"

Sad emo

Does lack of measurement invalidate love ?
So this means that love is just" all in my head" Well my head is a pretty damn important of my body, how about
yours ?

Yes, love is just "all in your head" - where else do you suggest it comes from?

Define, quantify and standardise love - otherwise it remains "in your head" - just an emotional theory that you can't even touch, taste, see, hear or smell.

The importance of your head to the rest of your body is subjective too - it can't function without the heart and lungs to supply oxygen for example...

Love is a delusion and only deluded fools believe in it!!!

Hope4Others

Sorrow
Anger
frustration
hate

These are all emotions does that make them a delusion? .....But they still happen....so what are they nothing,

they can not exist?

cheers

hope4others

seeking help

all u need is love..

love is all you need (repeat...)

Awakened07

I would hope the Creator of the universe would be able to manifest itself in a more palpable way than what an emotion does.

Yes, yes - creation itself, love itself etc. could be such manifestations, but they can also be explained naturally. And they are experimented with and experienced by us all, not just a few elect.

A God directly involved in all our lives, in a universe consisting of only the necessary stars and our planet, with no good explanations available for their formation, would be quite good evidence. Better yet; a stationary angel providing the light and heat the sun now provides, with no harmful radiation as a result. Perhaps.

Hope4Others

Delusions have a negative effect, I thought these were interesting comments and a short story, I came across.

"Delusions are states of mind which, when they arise within our mental continuum,
leave us disturbed, confused and unhappy.
Therefore, those states of mind which delude or afflict us
are called 'delusions' or 'inflictive emotions'."
the Dalai Lama

A story by a Buddhist to illustrate:

"A young widower, who loved his five year old son very much, was away on business when bandits came who burned down the whole village and took his son away. When the man returned, he saw the ruins and panicked. He took the burnt corpse of an infant to be his son and cried uncontrollably. He organised a cremation ceremony, collected the ashes and put them in a beautiful little bag which he always kept with him.
Soon afterwards, his real son escaped from the bandits and found his way home. He arrived at his father's new cottage at midnight and knocked at the door. The father, still grieving asked: "Who is it?" The child answered, it is me papa, open the door!" But in his agitated state of mind, convinced his son was dead, the father thought that some young boy was making fun of him. He shouted: "Go away" and continued to cry. After some time, the child left. Father and son never saw each other again." After this story, the Buddha said: "Sometime, somewhere, you take something to be the truth. If you cling to it so much, even when the truth comes in person and knocks on your door, you will not open it."
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