Must FORCE your loved ones to take blood = like Heavens Gate cult suicide!

by Witness 007 18 Replies latest watchtower scandals

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  Witness 007

  I ve been disturbed by some people making comments like..."well I would respect my Witness partners choice not to take blood."

  Consider 1997 Marshall Applewhite is leader of the Heavens Gate cult, he convinces 38 members that Armagedon is coming and to escape being "recycled" they need to escape in a spaceship hidden in the tail of the Hale-bopp Comet. To get on board they need to commit suicide...which they did. Now they were brianwashed into thinking that this was a great investment...life on another planet in paradise, just kill yourself and there you are! Witness relatives are exactly the same! If your relative told you "I'm going to commit suicide because tommorow my spaceship is taking my "away team" to another planet, Goodbye." You would do anything to stop them..kidnap...knock them out, whatever. They are not of sound judgement. A Witness relative who refused blood and would surely bleed to death should be force to take blood rather then die for the sake of an imagined "paradise."

  {Can anyone post a picture of Applewhite from Youtube or something....doesn't he LOOK like a total Phsyco nut case!}
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  Burger Time

  Uh...except choosing not to take blood and actively trying to kill yourselves are two different things.
  There is at least a proven chance that you will survive in the body your in even if it is a slight one.
  Also I think these suicide cults are a good way of population control. I say if your not hurting anyone
  but yourself and your stupid enough to believe it, have at it.

  Hell I believe in ghosts, is that any stupidier then believing in an alien life form that might come and
  sweep my soul away?
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  Finally-Free

  Whether we agree with a person's belief or not, they are still entitled to make their own choices. Now, I have no problem accepting blood if I need it, but if someone should force a treatment upon me in spite of my explicit instructions not to, they better hope I don't survive - because if I do, they won't.

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  OnTheWayOut

  

  I tend to agree that they are not using sound judgment. It's not all that simple, though.
  First, we would have to be sure that a JW is a person who is guaranteed to die without
  blood. If we raise the issue beforehand, then they will possibly hate us for forcing the
  blood. They may hate us, anyway, feeling that they have now violated some ultimate
  command from Jehovah while they were unconscious.

  I see it as a promise in good faith to honor my loved one's wishes, no matter what I
  feel about them. But I also am sure that I will get family pressure to cave in, and I will
  just cave in to the pressure to have blood given to my loved ones. I will take the chance
  that they will hate me for what I have done. At least they will be alive.

  Not everyone sees it that way, though. Some say that everyone should choose for
  themselves, and they feel there are some valid reasons to abstain from transfusion. If
  I actually heard my wife or mother say they researched those valid reasons (and separated
  them from WTS reasons), I might honor such an agreement. I haven't heard them do it yet.
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  jamiebowers

  
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  Witness 007

  I don't get it!!! If the doctor says about your wife or Sisiter "we've hit an artery and she will need many Transfusions but we can repair the damage..." What do you do? WHAT DO YOU DO? Knowing their beliefs are based on lies and there is no Paradise, do you let them die so you can appear to be politically correct? If you saved them they may hate you...OR do they? The sin falls on you! They get to spend time with their loved ones and maybe one day ten years down the road the say:"Thank you."

  Think about it!
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  daniel-p

  Witness, there are situations where the answer varies. If the person is consious than obviously it's their decision as an adult. However, if they're not conscious than the doctors will likely defer to the mate. In that case, no, I would not refuse my wife a transfusion. I've told her this and she flipped out. But I wanted to tell her the truth just so she knows ahead of time in case anything were to happen.
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  OnTheWayOut

  But I wanted to tell her the truth just so she knows ahead of time in case anything were to happen.

  In our legalistic society, dealing with the WTS cult, I don't do it that way.
  I understand why you do, but I don't.

  As long as I said in good faith that I would respect my wife's wishes to abstain
  from blood, she has allowed me to be the person responsible for medical decisions
  on her behalf when she is unable to make them for herself. As soon as I say that
  I am going to save her life over her wishes, no matter how carefully I phrase it, then
  she would draw up documents to let the elders make those decisions. F^ck that.
  
  I stick with, "I meant I would honor her wishes when I said I would."
  When unbelievable anguish comes over me for facing her possible death and
  pressure from others to give her blood, I will do what seems appropriate at that
  time. If I have to promise that I will never give her blood, no matter what, then I will
  mean it- in order to be the person to handle that situation if it ever arises.

  I hope my vague two-way answer clears that up. I do not feel deceptive or evil for
  planning it that way.

  Knowing their beliefs are based on lies and there is no Paradise, do you let them die so you can appear to be politically correct? If you saved them they may hate you...OR do they? The sin falls on you! They get to spend time with their loved ones and maybe one day ten years down the road the say:"Thank you."

  That's how I feel. I love my wife enough to violate her wishes, not the other way around.
  Instead of letting her die, I lover her enough to save her and let her live on hating me.
  Hopefully, it would not happen or it would not be a permanent hate. But if it is, I will be
  happy that she is alive to hate me.
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  sacolton

  If I were a father, I would never let my child refuse a blood transfusion.

  If my child does get a blood transfusion, they get disfellowshipped. So what? Get reproved. Life goes on.

  If my child doesn't get a blood transfusion, live with the guilt and shame. Years later the bORG will find "New Light" and blood transfusions are OK. Then what? It's stupid!

  Does the WTBTS suggest that getting a blood transfusion will destroy any chance of salvation? If so, that's bullcrap!
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  Witness 007

  "Onthewayout" I think you have the same viewpoint as me...that's how you save someone from themselves...damn the conseqences later..at least your wife would be alive to be angry at you. And yes you may need to lie so you don't have her sign over her rights to some stupid Elder.