Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 06-15-08 WT Study (REMEMBER)

by blondie 19 Replies latest jw friends

BluesBrother

This may upset some on here who bristle at the advice to "put Jehovah first", but for the youth of the cong. this is just another 'ho-hum' cliche' ridden article to be endured for an hour on Sunday.
I see nothing here that has not been said before , many times. Even kids born in the late nineties have seen this kind of stuff many times. I cannot see it reaching beyond the "permafrost" of their minds - thank God!
{PS - hey Billy, that was an awsome post - a real life experience that the kids at the Hall ought to read ]
carla

Thanks Blondie, fine job as always.
Yes Mary you should go on!! I would like to see a collection of wt quotes with all the 'rapidly approaching' quotes. I suppose that could take up a book in itself?
jgnat

OK, I was going to avoid this week's study, but hubby sucked me in to it. I'm on paragraph 13.
It is unconcionable to shut-off Witness children from school counsellors! How many times have we advised troubled teens who come here to JWD, pressured from their parents, pressured by the Watchtower society, watched, curfewed, and never quite good enough...to talk to somebody! But there you go. You can't trust the school counsellor because they only see things from the perspective of secular success, and may be influenced by the devil himself.
Unconcionable.
Rant over.
Mary

Yes Mary you should go on!! I would like to see a collection of wt quotes with all the 'rapidly approaching' quotes. I suppose that could take up a book in itself?
OK, here's the collection from their CD but it is by no means complete. The WT's only go back as far as 1950 and the Awake! only goes back to 1970. We all know that there are most likely dozens more quotes right back to the 1870s:
w607/1p.414AssemblingStillMoreastheDayDrawsNear

What day is drawing near? Not the general "day of Jehovah," for it is here, having begun in 1914. Rather, it is the special day of Jehovah for his vindication: "Wait ye for me, saith Jehovah, until the day that I rise up to the prey; for my determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger; for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy." That day is rapidly approaching .—Zeph. 3:8, AS.
w 611/15 p.47 par.2 The Purpose of Our Ministry
Today the time is rapidly approaching when Jehovah purposes that this wicked world see its complete consummation
w 61 2/1p. 78 par.6 Keep on the Watch as Sons of Light This is the good news regarding Jesus’ enthronement in the heavens in 1914 and the
rapidly approaching end of the space-age troubles as the new heavens and new earth of God’s making take over
w 61 11/1 p.67 1Questions From Readers
So, whereas we know that we are
rapidly approaching the battle of Armageddon, we do not know when it will begin, neither when it will end, and hence how long it will be

w 62 2/15 p.120 Why the Name "Jehovah’s Witnesses"? And fourthly, the time is rapidly approaching when Jehovah will once and for all time vindicate himself as the Universal Sovereign by destroying all his foes and delivering his people. Because of these facts witnesses are needed to sound an urgent warning; so that lovers of righteousness can flee to safety and so that the wicked will know why they are being destroyed when Armageddon comes upon them.—Rev. 16:14, 16.

w62 7/1p.390 Facing Up to Our Urgent Timesjust as human governments today send out urgent storm warnings, so the government of God, his kingdom, by means of its earthly representatives, the Christian witnesses of Jehovah, is sending out urgent warnings regarding the great storm of Armageddon that is rapidly approaching

w62 12/1 p.728 The Fiery-colored Dragon At the rapidly approaching battle of Armageddon he will be abyssed for a thousand years

w62 12/15 p.745 par.6 Strong Reasonf or Faith in God’s New World It is not to the angels that God has subjected the inhabited earth to come, which we today are so rapidly approaching
w63 1/15 p.55 Christendom’s Idolatry Foreshadowed At the rapidly approaching battle of Armageddon he will destroy both it and all those who have idolized it.
w64 3/15 p.171 The Memorial of Christ’s Death and What It Means toYouThey appreciate that "man must not live by bread alone," and that in view of the rapidly approaching day of Jehovah it is more urgent than ever that they do not forsake the gathering of themselves together.
w65 9/1 p.518 God’s Kingdom and Christ’s Transfiguration Because that prophecy said that such a work would be done preceding "the great and fear-inspiring day of Jehovah," which day is rapidly approaching and which includes "the war of the great day of God the Almighty," Armageddon
w73 9/1 p.532 par.7 Equipped to Speak Delightful Words of Truth But the conclusion of this work is rapidly approaching and more workers are needed. Will you have a share?
w75 7/15p. 444 par.22 We Appreciate the Young Ones Who Are Walking in Jehovah’s WayThese words were given to Israel before entering the Promised Land and therefore have special significance now as we approach the end of this system of things and see the new order of righteousness rapidly approaching

w76 10/1pp. 593-594 par.10 Appreciating the Treasure of Sacred ServiceTo an unnumbered great crowd of persons from all nations and peoples, he promises to grant survival through a rapidly approaching great tribulation,
w79 11/1 p.17 par.3 Christian Neutrality as God’s War ApproachesSo, then, since the "war of the great day of God the Almighty" at Har–Magedon is now rapidly approaching, let us examine God’s use of Jeremiah at that ancient time
w81 11/15 p.20 par.12 ‘Stay Awake and KeepYour Senses’Now is when they need to prepare themselves to withstand the pressures that will come against God’s people during the rapidly approaching "great tribulation."
w83 3/1 p.8 IsThere a Way out of Unhappiness? The difficult time all faithful Christians are now having is soon to end, for we are rapidly approaching a new, happy era
w83 10/15 p.18 par.8 ‘Do Not Use the World to the Full’ Even as righteously disposed humans survived the Deluge, however, so Jesus showed that some will survive the rapidly approaching "great tribulation."
w84 5/1 p.10 Why Hesitate? Listen and Obey!For earnest Bible students the events since 1914 indicate that we are rapidly approaching that time for execution of judgment
w84 7/15 p.17 par.7 Build Your Future With Jehovah’s Organization Shortly after the destruction of false religion, Jesus Christ will use his heavenly army to destroy the rest of this wicked system of things. It will perish in the rapidly approaching "war of the great day of God the Almighty" at Har–Magedon.
w84 11/15 p.22 par.4 "The Time Left Is Reduced" Yet, how comforting to know that during that rapidly approaching day of reckoning, ‘Jehovah will guard all those loving him, but all the wicked ones he will annihilate’!
w86 10/15 p.7 AChange of Rulership—Soon! Having started in 1914, "the time of the end" is now well advanced. Jesus said that the generation that saw the beginning of that time would also see its end. (Matthew 24:32-34) We are, therefore, rapidly approaching that glorious time when Christ Jesus will fully take over rulership of earth’s affairs and unite all obedient mankind under his one government.
w87 11/15p. 14par.18 Unmarried but Complete for God’s Service This service is especially important now since the Kingdom was established in heaven in 1914 and "this good news of the kingdom" must be preached earth wide for a witness before the rapidly approaching end of this doomed system of things.
w88 12/15 p.23 par.16 "Fear God and Give Him Glory" As we view that rapidly approaching triumph through the visions of Revelation, surely we have every reason to FEAR GOD AND GIVE HIM GLORY!
w90 9/15 p.28 The Meaning of the Proverb Those who are upright will soon see the wicked perish from the earth in the rapidly approaching "day of Jehovah’s anger."
w91 3/15 p.31 Pay Attention to God’s Prophetic Word! And we must steadfastly adhere to God’s word if we are to survive the rapidly approaching day of Jehovah.
w91 9/15 p.22 How Christ’s Transfiguration Affects You That rapidly approaching event includes "the war of the great day of God the Almighty" at Har–Magedon, or Armageddon
w92 5/1p.10 par.6 Keep Close in Mind the Day of Jehovah They simply deplore the corruption that all can plainly see, and they warn of Jehovah’s rapidly approaching day for executing his decision.
w92 12/15 p.4 What Really Is the Gospel? The time when the Kingdom will act against God’s enemies is rapidly approaching

w93 3/1p.4 Will You Heed God’s Warning? Two world wars, hundreds of smaller armed conflicts, famines, great earthquakes, pestilences, wave after wave of crime and violence, and a worldwide preaching campaign all together constitute a dramatic warning that human society is rapidly approaching a cataclysmic crisis
w9511/15 p.15 par.1 Stay in the"City of Refuge"and Live! Yes, Jesus will serve as God’s Executioner during the rapidly approaching "great tribulation."
w97 9/15p.17 par.7 Who Will Survive"the Day of Jehovah"? And their devotion to God and his service will be rewarded in their being spared from the eternal destruction about to befall proud, unrepentant sinners in the rapidly approaching "day of Jehovah
w00 2/1 p.8 par.2 How Much Longer for the Wicked? The last of them will draw his final breath in the rapidly approaching "war of the great day of God the Almighty."
w01 2/15 p.22 par.20 Seek Jehovah Before the Day of His Anger ‘In what ways are we being blessed as Jehovah’s present-day servants, and what future blessings does Zephaniah’s prophecy set before those who will be concealed in the rapidly approaching day of Jehovah’s anger?’
w01 5/15 p.12 par.15 Praise Jehovah for His Great Deeds! To shine forth in giving a final witness before Jehovah brings an end to Satan’s wicked system of things in the rapidly approaching "great tribulation.
g73 3/8 p.26 A Vital Help in Time of Need But at the rapidly approaching time of the execution of God’s judgments against unrighteous persons, those killed by God will lose out everlastingly
g73 4/22 p.17 Protect Yourself from Crime Know, too, that the final, sure answer to the crime problem is rapidly approaching!

g77 4/8 p.23 When Disaster Strikes! The Bible warns of a rapidly approaching "great tribulation" of gigantic proportions. Those who now learn about that imminent calamity through Bible study can take steps to avoid the destruction it will bring
g 2006 p.9 Youthful VigorForever! Current world events evaluated alongside Bible prophecy indicate that we are rapidly approaching the end of old age as we know it
km 8/75 p.7 par.6 Can You Share More Fully? Rather, we are grateful for this undeserved kindness, and, if possible, in the little time remaining we want to increase our share in field service, looking confidently to Jehovah and the rapidly approaching fulfillment of all the things we now preach
km 4/93 p.3 par.2 "To the House of Jehovah Let Us Go" We live in critical times, with the end of this system rapidly approaching . An indifferent or reluctant attitude can result in perilous delay
km7/95 p.1 par.6" Keep on the Watch" If there ever was a need for a sense of urgency, it is now. The time is rapidly approaching for Jesus Christ to execute judgment against this wicked system.
km2/00 p.1 par.4 "Preach the Word...Urgently" With the end of this system of things rapidly approaching , there is "plenty to do in the work of the Lord."
‘Know Jehovah’ p.413 The Mysterious Book of Revelation Explained the Bible book of Revelation tells of mysteries that deal with events of real life in our own day. It reveals that we are rapidly approaching the thrilling climax of God’s purpose for our time, affecting every person on earth.
Proclaimers chap.33 p.716 Continuing to Keep on the Watch The time is rapidly approaching when Christ’s presence in Kingdom power will be made clearly manifest to all humankind
Knowledge chap.4 p.42 par.19Jesus Christ—The Key to the Knowledge of God He wants to preserve them through the rapidly approaching "war of the great day of God the Almighty," often called Armageddon, so that they can live forever as earthly subjects of God’s heavenly Kingdom
Knowledge chap.19 p.182 par.6 When the Knowledge of God Fills the Earth The world is rapidly approaching what the Bible calls Har–Magedon, or Armageddon
fy chap.4 p.41 par.6 How Can You Manage a Household? . In the rapidly approaching new world, Jehovah will eliminate poverty along with all other evils that cause misery to mankind
fy chap. 10pp.126-127 par.23 When a Family Member Is Sick The prophet Isaiah pointed forward to the time when "no resident will say: ‘I am sick.’" (Isaiah 33:24) That promise will be fulfilled in the rapidly approaching new world
Is There a God Who Cares?p.22 par.29 This means that some of the people who were alive when World War I began in 1914 would still be alive to witness the end of this present system of things. That World War I generation is getting very old now, and this is strong evidence that the end of wickedness is rapidly approaching .
Kurukshetra p.28 par.44These are the blessings in store for those who survive the rapidly approaching war of Armageddon.
Hope4Others

Thanks Blondie,
It seems as a recycled old article I have read...the same wording "youth remember your Grand Creator" it all just keeps going around and around.
They seem to really be focusing on young people...I don't think I could take sitting there listening to this stuff anymore even if I was active.
h4o
shopaholic

Thanks Blondie. Great job as usual.
I'm finding it more and more difficult to read these articles without getting very upset. They are basically telling the young people to toss their future away, don't live up to their potential and be satisfied with spiritual pursuits that lead them nowhere. Well that's just a bunch of crap. I'm so glad my dad isn't a JW and I went to college. Why can't they tell the young people to serve Jehovah and go to college? It works until you see the org for what it was. But in the meantime, they can get a lot out of you physically and financially. That was true in my case. That approach seems like a better racket. I can't tell you how many of my pioneering JW friends have called me for money over the years because they have trouble making ends meet. So what they were pioneers, so was I!!! I just chose not to clean toilets.
Sad thing is most of my nieces and nephews under 10 are already baptized. They try to get them that young because those kids don't know what they are doing and by the time they figure it out, they will feel like they have too much to lose so they stick around. I've spoken with their parents about college funds but they don't see a need because their children have "spiritual goals".
Its articles like this one and the one from last week, that make me want to get my family together and tell them to get OUT of this religion.
Billy the Ex-Bethelite

Fortunately, many of the families were missing today. Many there were not particularly attentive. Most of the parents were also 'raised in', so understand the practicality of higher education, if their kids do well in school. It looks like the Kool-Aid article was intended to rally everybody to hound the younguns to pioneer and not get edumacated. Frankly, the dubs saw it as the same old recycled "something to do on Sunday morning".
B the X
blondie

Hi yknot,
Sexual topics.........? I've seen worse over the years. I wonder what their kids are exposed to on TV, radio, CDs, DVDs, movies that is much worse.
Too I remember when a similar statement was made by the CO to the BOEs regarding R-rated movies. The elders just said that it was up to them whether to remove an elder. They basically did an end run around the CO. I anticipate the same happening with the directive on education. I wonder if this exclusion will have any results?
The education thing is really starting to give me conniption fits! I mean really! When I emailled a a friend in PA and asked about the CO conference call he said.....what call? I asked again today and found out that their BOE was excluded from the call. Why? Because their KH has some of the wealthiest members in PA. Yes all their children not only go to College but attend prep school before college. So now I put in some calls out to the west coast to see what they are hearing.....so far no response but I am willing to bet the same or it will be said the CO tilted his head and winked"a good basic education"
The WTS does not have the money or time to coordinate schools for children. It is hard enough to control the congregations let alone double that by creating schools. Where would the WTS get government qualified jw teachers and discourage higher education. Could the WTS exclude non-jw teacherss?
So why doesn't the WTS spend it's money on building schools for JW children? Isn't Satan controlling many public school? Hasn't the author of this article seen the many cries about the 'dumbing down' within the public school system?
Hello boyzone,
Actually I don't find anything wrong with window cleaning if you can support yourself and your family. A degree in engineering is pretty useless if you can't or won't get a job.
I guess he has to get brave and choose his own life and not expect his parents to pay his way. Perhaps that is the reason he stays. I had 2 classmates whose parents could not or would not pay for college. They got grants, scholarships, worked part-time, and loans and put themselves through school.
Hopefully, if he is unhappy enough or determined enough, he could do the same.
Hey, nameless, yes, the more things change the more the stay the same. As to the 607 date, the WTS does not even bother to prove it much any more, presenting it as a fact. That is why so few jws could defend the date to a non-jw.
Hi OTWO, I was a teenager in 1969 being fed that crap. But I wasn't a 1975 believer because I figured if you thought it was coming then, it wasn't based on the scriptures.
The WTS would like to think it is exposure to college that is leading so many jw children away, but it is the hypocrisy they see in their own families, in the elder body, the congregation, and the organization. That is why they lead double lives after seeing the double lives led by the adults.
Your wife too is an example of how jws selectively apply the directives from the WTS.
Hi, Pistoff, actually part of the problem is that jws are conditioned to think that non-jws are all immoral and dishonest. I rather have known many people Christians and non-Christians, that lead loving, helpful lives, sacrificing money and time for neighbors and strangers. But the WTS tells its members that none of this counts because they people don't believe the end is nigh, but wait some of them do.
Mary, you have hit on the secret of the WTS, no matter what it is, even untrue, if you say it often enough, jws think it must be true.
Joseph Goebbels (Nazi propagand minister)
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
Hey WTWizard,
Above I made that point to show that getting married is no guarantee that one is protected from fornication. It also shows that in my opinion if a person can't control their sexual urges when single, can they be true to a marriage mate? Just my opinion.
Hi Snakes, actually "think logically" means "think the WTS way."
Hi Billy, I always wonder how the WTS gets away with examples but no names...at the conventions, they give names, background, etc. of the jws giving experiences. What is the difference in the magazines?
Hello, BluesBrother, see quote above re Joseph Goebbels...nothing new under the sun?
Thanks, carla. Mary will probably have to hold back on all the quotes. She could write a book.
Yes, jgnat, the guidance counselors were demonized in my time. All students were required to meet once a year but I blew it off. I was quite snippy too based on my "superior" knowledge and convinced that the counselor was a tool of Satan.
H4O, with few outsiders becoming jws and fewer jw children staying past their 20's, the WTS has to pressure them early and their parents, and let them know that they will not advance far in the organization if they do not "obey" the WTS.
Hi, shopaholic, I just hope that young jws become personally motivated and take responsibility for their own lives.
Billy, there are few jw teenagers left in the congregation I was attending. Out of 15, only 3 remain.
Love, Blondie
blondie

Just can't predict which WT articles will be popular. This article was like a blast from my teenage years when some jw children even quit high school because the end was so "near." They finally had to go back and get a GED several years later.
blondie

*** w70 8/1 pp. 479-480 Question From Readers
Young Christians attending public school face many problems because of growing delinquency, immorality, nationalism, and so forth. Hence, when one has completed the minimum schooling required by law, would it be advisable to leave school and devote more time to the ministry, or should one finish the normal basic schooling?—D. B., U.S.A.
Customs and legal requirements about schooling vary from country to country. In some lands a set amount of schooling is compulsory for all children, with little or no provision for one to leave earlier. In other lands only a couple of years of schooling (or none at all) are compulsory, most education being left up to the individual to be obtained as circumstances allow.
In the United States of America a student usually attends elementary school for seven or eight years (differing from state to state) and then a secondary (high) school for about four years. The laws of most states rule that a youth must attend until he graduates from high school, or until age sixteen. However, even though one can leave school at sixteen if the parents approve, the majority of youths attend until graduation at about age eighteen. The following discussion will deal primarily with the United States of America, since that is what the questioner is interested in, but likely many of the points and principles presented will apply to some extent in other lands also.
Proper knowledge and education are fine things. Christian parents are interested in the education of their children. In accord with God’s directions, they personally instruct and train their offspring in many fields, including the Bible, true worship, home responsibilities and proper conduct. (Eph. 6:4; Prov. 22:6) The Theocratic Ministry School and other meetings in each congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses have been invaluable aids to young Christians, developing in them abilities and poise that often make them above average for their age. But where there are public schools available most Christian parents also want their children to get a reasonable secular education, feeling that the specialized training to read and write well and education in subjects such as geography and history may assist them as Christian ministers. Also, some secular education and training may prepare them for an occupation, something they may need to support themselves and their families.—1 Tim. 5:8.
‘But how long should a child go to school?’ persons might ask. The parents must decide that. (Prov. 6:20; 23:22; Eph. 5:22-24) If the law of the land requires a certain number of years of schooling, Christians know that they are to "be obedient to governments and authorities as rulers." (Titus 3:1) But if the legal minimum has been met, the parents have to determine what the child will do. Perhaps sickness or dire financial pressure in the family requires that a young man or woman get a job. On the other hand, the parents might direct the minor to attend the extra year or two of school so as to graduate and receive a diploma, as is the custom in the land. Parents and youths can discuss the matter, but the Bible gives the parents, particularly the father, the deciding voice, and the minor Christian should recognize that.—Col. 3:18, 20.
As indicated in the inquiry, many Christians realize that in some schools violence, immorality, use of drugs and disrespect for authority are increasing rapidly. Does this situation warrant removing a youth from school as soon as that is legally possible? A few parents have concluded, ‘Yes,’ and have done so. They are not to be criticized for their decision. Others have moved their children to another public school where such problems are not as bad. But we must face the fact that conditions in the world in general are getting worse. The only way to avoid such things altogether would be to get out of the world, and we cannot do that. (1 Cor. 5:10) Would leaving school and obtaining a secular job completely eliminate the problem? Likely not. Fellow employees may be considerably more experienced and proficient at seduction than fellow students. A Canadian report indicated that two-thirds of all employees are either basically dishonest or would be dishonest if given the opportunity. An American report said that three out of every four companies with fifty or more employees may have a drug-abuse problem. Consequently, all Christians—whether in school or not—have to strive to remain morally clean, to avoid situations that might involve violence and to remain spiritually strong.
Numerous young persons have written to us expressing a commendable desire to expand their activity as Christian ministers in the last days of this system of things. (2 Tim. 3:1; 4:5; 1 Tim. 4:16) Some have commented that if they left school early they might be able to do that as pioneer ministers. By self-scrutiny such ones can consider: Is it really a fuller share in the ministry that you want? Have you consistently demonstrated that this is your sincere, consuming desire by sharing in the ministry at every opportunity, including during holidays and vacations when you can serve as a vacation pioneer minister? A young Christian in school has a basically untouched field for witnessing about the Bible, because when Jehovah’s witnesses in their house-to-house ministry meet a youth they usually ask for and speak to the parents if they are at home. So, do you regularly and actively witness about God to fellow students, expanding your ministry all you can in that way? The decision of whether you will continue in school rests with your parents, and primarily your father. But whatever the decision is, you can follow through on your desire to speak about God at every opportunity.
Youth is a time to serve Jehovah. (Eccl. 12:1) It is also the usual time for one to learn things that may be quite necessary in adult life. It was the custom among the Jews for every lad to learn a trade or some form of useful employment, even if advanced education in the Law was planned. The Jewish view was that he who failed to teach his child a trade was teaching the youth to be a thief. Thus Saul of Tarsus learned the trade of tentmaking even though, before becoming a Christian, he was educated as a pupil of Gamaliel. (Acts 18:3; 22:3) Today the public schools are often the place where one begins to learn a trade or means of supporting oneself, whether it be carpentry, accounting, installation of electrical equipment, typing, printing, welding or some other occupation.
‘But you have not pointedly said whether my youngster should complete his basic education in school or not,’ someone might think. Precisely so, for it is not our place to do so or even to recommend either quitting or continuing in school. God has authorized the individual parents to direct their children in such matters, and we cannot ignore His authorization. This is a serious matter, and parents should make it a matter of prayer and should ponder it with care. (Phil. 4:6) Then they alone will have to make a decision as to what their own children will do.

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