What if the elders dont come see you at all?

by knight 15 Replies latest jw friends

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Hi knight, All,

    I did not receive a phone call or a visit during the first 10 years of my absence from all group activities. They obviously were indifferent. I worked in our cabinet shop with my father who was a local group leader. My wife had been a pioneer for years and continued with the group on various levels. We were both believers.

    I was so busy trying to make money to help support our family that now included 4 beautiful sons that I did not think too much about religion. I did think of 10 questions for those two elders who visited. The elders were Greg Herrboldt and Loren Matz and they never did answer one of my questions nor did they try to get back to me on them. I did certainly return to them and several others including the CO and my father, requesting answers I had been promised.

    Greg and Lorn invited me to the upcoming memorial and I did go. I hired Greg Herrboldt to paint my house right after that 10 year meeting and he was there on the day he told me he would be there and he did a good job and finished on time. I was very pleased with the job.

    I really did want them to successfully answer my questions and show me how my concerns were my fault so I could go back to the only life I had ever known. I know now that I was holding them to the platform promises of answering questions and I was expecting something from them that they could not deliver. I was not aware then that the internal promise to answer internal questions was a teaching but not a practice. I was not aware then like I am aware now that serious questioners are snubbed and shunned as a strategy to end the questioning. My approach to the whole thing would be very different today. Then they were dealing essentially with a believing Jehovah's Witness. Today I am informed and secular.

    Eventually I think they saw my lack of willingness to shelf my questions as pride and rebellion and they gave up on me. My son Brice told me I was not worth the time it would take to answer my questions. My exit was a very slow progressive thing. They had many opportunities to keep me as a group member. Their strategy of dodging my questions and flatly denying facts antagonized me and I started to dig deeper and my questions became more pointed.

    Eventually they could not even begin to deal with my questions dealing with the authority of the Governing Body and the things contained in the prolific library of Watch Tower Corporation literature I have access to.

    I guess they had never met anyone who had real all 7 of the Studies In The Scriptures, six written by Charles Russell, and who had read all of Rutherford's books. In the few face to face meetings I had with them, I called the meetings and I countered their every point with a reference to the Watch Tower publications. Their frustration turned to marking me and refusing any more meetings with me.

    In a way I don't blame them. Their encounters with me had to be frustrating and unfun for them. They like fun things like building Kingdom Halls and having meetings. They had to have seen me as a mountain they could not climb and they just moved on.

    I wish I could have had the resources like the internet and the Society's reprints and old books available from Randy Watters and Duane Magnani and others that are available now. I believe I could have completed my exit without making so much of a fuss and I may have been able to avoid many of the relationship ending confrontations I initiated with Witness friends and relatives.

    My word to current questioners and soon to be walkaways is this. Understand that the teachings about the practices and the actual practices and not the same. Do not hold the Witnesses to their own teachings if you hope to slip away.

    Happy day to all,

    gb

  • Tina
    Tina

    Hi Gary!!!
    Well said!! With the knowledge you have any confrontation the elders may have envisioned was most likely very anxiety producing for them lol.
    Btw,aren't you the author of Armageddon Okies? I love your writing! Can't wait for more of your work!! Wishing you wellness and happiness! Tina

    Jehovahs Witnesses,Proudly Serving Their Corporate Masters!

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    Tina,

    : Btw,aren't you the author of Armageddon Okies? I love your writing!

    Yep, he's one-and-the-same! I don't think I would have been inspired to write anything on the net had it not been for his truly classic, "The Truth (as I Seen it)":

    http://www.freeminds.org/buss/truth.htm

    I will continue to be Gary's numero uno fan! (Thanks, Gary for all your great work over the years.)

    Farkel

    "When in doubt, duck!"

  • Tina
    Tina

    (((((((((fark))))))))
    How ya doin sweetie!
    So true about gary's work!!
    I'll tell ya,when i first found these sites years ago and everything felt like Sturm und Drang,I found the real meaning of healing thru laughter from garys work.
    And of course,you're right up there to fark!! I look forward to more of yours as well. Luv and hugs,tina

    Jehovahs Witnesses,Proudly Serving Their Corporate Masters!

  • buffalosrfree
    buffalosrfree

    Knight, Hi you are receiving whats called care on part of the local elders. If you make a mistake, they haunt you If you are sick, recovering from an operation you may just as well be dead, they don't give a crap. I speak from experience, had operation no calls from elders not even the local book study conductor. Typical of their care for the sheep. Well i'm no longer a sheep lI'm a wolf and the assholes had better be careful when around me. Buff

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Hi Tina

    Yes I am responsible for writing the Okies. Randy is responsible for marketing them. Glad you like my stuff . . .

    Hey Farkel,

    Thanks for the kind words. I likewise am your fan. Thanks for being here.

    gb

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