I re-entered the Matrix (page 2)

oompa

clearheaded diggerdoo....by all means you should go back and let the effervescence of the truth waft all over you. How could you not enjoy:

being told what movies to watch...or tv shows...actually movies and tv are just tools of the debil

being urged to NOT have more education?? who would do that?

being told to not use the internet?

being instructed as to what sex acts are ok in marriage?

being told who you can go to a football game with?.....(only other witnesses..ya)

I so wish I could hang with the congo and be told everything in life what to do and not to do so I did even need this little brain of mind. I am kind of surprised that WT has not had extensive info published on exactly how many squares of toilet paper I have to use to wipe may ass....and do I end on an up stroke or a down stroke....please help me WT!!.............oompa

funny how the Jew were once Gods chosen ones....but the Pharisees came from them as well....and started the rule making just like WT

digderidoo

So, Dig ... what's your stance on the "no-blood" issue? Should the WTBTS be held responsible for being blood-guilty?

I think the WTBTS are wrong in this stance, but for an adult JW they must accept responsiblity for going along with this. I really feel that when a dub signs his card, it is his choice. For instance, my dad when a dub used to carry his card but never signed it. Dubs don't have to sign them and carry them around if they don't want to.

I have thought about this with reference to the elder in London who was involved in a car accident. It was his choice.

Some will say that choice is limited within the confines of the religion, so therefore no choice. For me, i would say then leave the org if you have a problem with it.

My mom for instance knows the consequences of carrying that card, but is happy with her decision. I think it is a wrong decision, but ultimately it is hers.

We are all adults. I think saying a witness adult does not have that choice is somehow not giving him/her credibility as an adult.

Paul

hillbilly

Dissonance is a wonderful thing. Enough to drive one to drink until one gets a handle on it.

The JW culture promotes a mildly deprressive enviroment for most members... it takes a long time to figure out life after one gets out. Even if a person has no issues or idea of what doctrines bother them ... the culture itself is corrosive.

Glad to see your back, Dig. Working through the steps and defining your own spirtual self (AA helps) will get you on track.

Jeff

digderidoo

Funny post oompa.

Paul

sweetstuff

Congrats on the drinking, glad to know you are doing your best to get that sorted out. Now about going back to the borg and possibly attending a meeting again, just "maybe".

Smack! Sorry, it was a friendly smack but a needed one. Why would you assume that you will find spirituality there? Sounds to me like you've been thru alot and you are still searching for some "meaning" in your life, so what if the 12 step program is based on spirituality. I highly doubt the 12 step program or any trained professional would tell someone with an alcohol addiction to go sit in front of an elder's meeting or put yourself in a situation to be made to feel like human crap, theology aside. Wouldn't help your sobriety me thinks.

I have a theory about growing up as a JW and how it can lead to addiction very easily. You, the child are told you are nothing special, you shouldn't want anything for yourself, desire anything, and if you aren't good enough, god is going to fry your azz at the big A. Umm, yeah, ok talk about built in self esteem issues! Wit kids are never given or told, that they can be something, they are special, they can dare to dream and follow it.....unless its a dream to "pioneer" GAG! Wit kids have their spirits and independant dreams crushed from a very early age, because its much easier to control them that way!

If your children have gained a heriditary tendancy towards alcohol abuse (which alot of studies show is possible!) why would you ever ever consider going back to an organization that could NURTURE that tendancy in your kids by making them feel guilty and crappy about themselves, repeatedly? Take the theology right out of the org and look at the emotional and mental side effects of being a dub. Guilt, feelings of worthlessness, fear of punishment, fear of achievement, of success. Why would you ever want to go back to that?? Loneliness perhaps? Remember those old faces you saw, who smiled and greeted you warmly?

Just remember, and you should know this, having been a dub, those faces were false. Because the minute you were gone, they started talking badly about you, BET ON IT! And the minute you came back into the fold, they wouldn't give a rat's arse about you, unless you were brother Kiss Ass 24/7. Now that's the "truth".

digderidoo

If your children have gained a heriditary tendancy towards alcohol abuse (which alot of studies show is possible!) why would you ever ever consider going back to an organization that could NURTURE that tendancy in your kids by making them feel guilty and crappy about themselves, repeatedly?

Thanks sweetstuff

Paul

Satanus

It's a good idea, going back for a look see, for yourself, w a clear head. As far as spirituality goes, the wt has none, zero, zilch, nada. Heck, they can't even explain how the gb is supposed to be spirit direct, or guided, or moved, or what ever. If the gb has it only fleetingly, somehow, where is there place in the r&f for spirit? No, it's all training and programming from other men.

S

oompa

Paul I was being totally serious....think about it. Why would anyone with a clear mind want to be part of a faith that forbids family members (when dfd) to even speak to one another? That allow children to be baptised (totally unscriptural)....only to be shunned into insanity by their friends and family? And that blood card thing? That is not really adult choice when if you speak your mind about your choosing not to sign it you would be ostracized by the entire congo!!.....Frankly I do not want to be part of a faith where you can not freely express your opinion without severe consequences....many faiths allow you to do this...........oompa

Sirona

Paul,

Great news that you've been able to face up to the alcohol dependency.

One thing I would highlight to you is this: When you stop drinking there is a void in your life. Days are longer because they used to be spent in a haze of alcohol (or in ways to avoid the consequences of the last drinking session). So when you stop, you find that you need to fill your life with things which don't centre around drinking. You lose your drinking friends, which is a good thing, but it leaves another gap - and you look for friends who don't drink.

All of this can perhaps put you in a vulnerable position in the sense that you might see groups like the JWs as an option to fill the gaps in your life. They offer almost immediate "friends" and things to do!

First and foremost, I would say do anything which helps you keep sober. Alcholism kills. However, you need to protect yourself from other harmful addictions and I think that being in a religious cult is almost like having another addiction.

Aim for balance.

Regards,

Sirona

digderidoo

Oompa...it first appeared like a poem. Which is why i didn't take it serious. Maybe you're a poet and you don't know it.

Paul

I re-entered the Matrix

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