Rex Rex.. Ok I found your links in the old thread after some search. You must be nuts if you think I would search through all those links. Calm down, not so aggressive, you are up against one that have read all the scriptures you can come up with but... go find a few verses you think proves it all and I promise you I will deal with them.
Basically the thing Jesus is God is just bad OT understanding and a bad understanding of the word 'God'. Jesus is a god, satan is a god. Angels are sons of God and Jehovah call Logos/Jesus his own, the Son.
Basically Jesus was a man on earth. Send by God. Only by this could be pay Adam's sin. He had fear on the night of cruxifiction and his Father was in heaven and comforted him. The trinity doctrine teaches Jesus and God are the same, they are not. The father says the Father is stronger than him. A typical traditional argument is that Jesus only existed as the Son on earth, but that's not biblical. Jesus went to heaven and sits on his fathers side... In John 17 we get the whole story. In John 1:3 and Col 1:15-16 we see the role of Logos, as the masterconstructer. Independent trinitarian theologs admit that it's 'likely' that Logos is spoken of in Proverbs 8 and that he is also symbolized by the woman crying out in the street (also somewhere in Proverbs). John 1:1 says the spokesman and the one he speaks for are the same. Well they are in the sense that they are one to man. It also says the spokesman was with God, see not so difficult is it? Trinitarians try to put in the mouth of non trinitarians that the Son has his own will that is in disaccordiance with the Father, but no, the Son is the servant for of the father (as OT shows, see Psalm 2, see Isaiah 53), 100% obedient. Again we see that trinitarians in their terrorreign, trying to push on litterate translations of some verses and leave out others. But alas, we 'russellites' don't apply by those rules. We follow the Bible, only. Not babylonian doctrines. No way honey. We are not like such people, agreeing to swallow doubtful doctrines to escape a hell only existing in the misguideds minds.
You don't like Genesis 1 anymore ehh? Logos was there, assisting Jehovah.
Oh, now it makes sense! The Son is a god but he's also a servant. He's Jehovah's masterconstructer.
God in the OT uses servants to communicate with. Jesus was such a servent. It's really not that hard. Read Ezekiel 28 of Lucifer, and see more of how God deals with angels.
Bite me quiz boy, please educate me. Calm down, breath smoddly and make up a few verses you think explain it all and I will deal with them. Promise. But mind you, I have seen them all before :-).
The traditionals sola scripture is worthless, the power limited and soon end just like satans. They neglect verses where Jesus says he's not as strong as his father. Ergo trinity is WRONG. Now go get a doctrine that explains all verses. Go learn what a god is, a mighty being. But only one to pray to and only one to be mediator and in whos name to pray (as Jesus says.....).
1 Corinthians 8:6 - yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist. (ASV)
- confirming everything I said.
God Bless from Rev, a nontrinitarian soon to be veteran
