I've come to realize this sort of debate is the argument of two sides to the same coin.
To compel the other side to explain their reasoning in exact detail, and if they can't, they surely are wrong. You can use that argument for or against creation.
The reality of it is, neither side can 100% prove their case, so both sides of this argument in the end, are a bunch of windbags heh.
That, and our minds don't understand anything that happens without cause and effect, beginning and end. Min and max.
I love how sure some people think they are, when in reality everyone believers, and unbelievers, are just working on faith in the end.