Another Bible Error: The Disciples' Journey

by JosephAlward 45 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • waiting
    waiting

    Well, I'm LIQing and LOLing - at 6 and the apostles having duffle bags (with the Nike logo?).

    waiting

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    Waiting,
    No doubt Jesus warned his apostles about wearing the Nike logo.

    "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

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  • bigboi
    bigboi

    Y'all are some cold-blooded ppl!!!!!

    This is soooo wrong!!!

    ONE....

    bigboi

    Murder is a tough thing to digest. It's a slow process and the WTBTS's got nuthin but time.

  • Moxy
    Moxy

    hehe. jesus and his disciples talking with english accents is just funny on principle.

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1

    I took another look at Expatbrit's post. Sounds like something that belongs in a Monty Python show. I can't stop laughing on the inside about it.

    "Hand me that whiskey, I need to consult the spirit."-J.F. Rutherford

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  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    Everything extra, in the bag.

    How big was a "luggage" bag? Big enough to hold a journey staff. How big was a journey staff? Smaller than a shepherds staff.

    >>Do you really fail to see Psalm 23 in Matthew's message?<<

    Yes. You're grasping at thin air.

  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    Pom,

    I think the forum unanimously believes that you haven’t defended your case against contradiction between Mark and Matthew regarding the issue of the staves, so we can put that argument away.

    Perhaps now you would like to try to explain why you don’t think there is a contradiction between Mark and Luke on the same matter?

    I’ll remind you what Mark wrote:

    These were his instructions: "Take nothing for the journey except a staff...” (Mark 6:8)
    Now read what Luke said, below:

    When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick. He told them: "Take nothing for the journey--no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra tunic. (Luke 9:1-3)
    Is it not clear that Luke unequivocally states that Jesus told his disciples to take “no staff," and that this is in direct contradiction to Mark? If not, why not?

    Joseph F. Alward
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  • Bang
    Bang

    They were to take nothing for their own provision (refering to self-reliance), which included money, spare tunics or spare sandals or anything else in their own power to alleviate worldly anxieties, like their staffs.

    There was however a particular staff that they were to take, which is the ensign of the power and authority of the Lord.
    Bang

  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    Bang,

    You have not presented an argument, just an assertion that makes no sense, and it doesn't seem to be anything more than something you cut and pasted from some apologist's web site; you don't seem even to understand what it means. If you did, you would be able and willing to show how it refutes the argument I've made.

    You must do more than simply make a statement; forum members expect you to explain why you think that Jesus' statement in Luke,

    "Take nothing for your journey--no staff.."

    does not contradict Jesus' statement in Mark,

    "Take nothing for the journey except a staff."

    Can you explain to the forum why we should not take Luke's words at face value? Why do you think Luke said "take...no staff," if he really didn't mean that?

    Where in the world did you get the idea that Luke wanted us to know that the disciples actually were allowed to take a staff, a special one you call an "ensign" staff? Where in the Bible do you think you find support for this conjecture? Luke says nothing about this; how come you know about the "ensign" staff, but he didn't?

    No contradiction in the Bible is clearer than this one; you cannot make it go away merely by claiming that the plain words in print actually should be read as something else, or by making up a story about "ensigns," which I don't believe you understand anyway, as you just copied this "explanation" from someone else, who copied it from another person, and so on, and so on.

    Joseph F. Alward
    "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"

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  • Bang
    Bang

    Joesph,
    you seem to be clouting people for being fundy's and yet you want the Whole book to either Be fundy or it's no good to you.

    It's the same thing with John saying, 'I'm not Elijah'. Are you saying He's a liar, or is Christ for saying that he was, or maybe the gospel writer - or better still - none of them. They were talking about different ideas.

    One person spoke of one meaning and the other, another.

    I can see it in your own lines - take nothing for yourself, your journey, no staff etc., as self-support for you.
    And another meant take nothing for the journey except a staff, the sign of God's power and authority - Moses' staff prefigures it.

    If the explanation is copied, does that mean it's not quality proselytizing - or is it simply that I'm not speaking from myself?
    Anyway, that's a very old perception - about 1700 years and maybe even more if that person heard it too.

    What's your reason for looking for Him anyway ?

    Bang

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