LYNCHPIN doctrine on 1914 NOT from "faithful and discreet slave"--stolen!

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  • Terry
    Terry

    The "chain of evidence" which links Jehovah's Witnesses with Adventist die-hards influenced by William Miller (framer of the failed prediction of Christ's return which triggered the Great Disappointment) includes Nelson Barbour.

    Nelson Barbour

    One major influence on Russell's beliefs during this time was Nelson Barbour of Rochester, New York. Barbour was the publisher of the Adventist magazine, The Midnight Cry which had a circulation of 15,000. It proclaimed that Jesus would return visibly in 1874. When Jesus didn't return, Barbour was at first puzzled. His readership "dwindled to about 300" as a result. 8 One of The Midnight Cry's readers was B.W. Kieth who later became a contributing writer to Russell's Watch Tower magazine. He noted that in Benjamin Wilson's Emphatic Diaglott Greek/English interlinear translation of Matthew 24, the word parousia translated as coming was rendered as "presence." It was suggested that Barbour had the date of Christ's return right (1874) but had expected the wrong thing (a visible return). Barbour believed that Jesus was invisibly "present" since 1874. Most of his readers didn't accept this explanation of his prediction of Christ's return, resulting in his readership dwindling as noted above. However, one person who did accept this explanation was Charles Russell.9

    In October of 1874, The Midnight Cry ceased publication. In 1875 the magazine was restarted as Herald of the Morning. After receiving a copy of the Herald magazine in about 1876, Russell was impressed with Barbour's "invisible presence" views on Christ's coming (which Russell apparently came to believe independently from Barbour) and he accepted much of his chronological views. His acceptance of Barbour's chronology came about in the following manner: After reading the Herald, Russell wrote to Barbour about his chronology. Later in 1876, Russell arranged a meeting with him in Philadelphia to see if he could convince him, in Russell's words, "that the prophecies indicated 1874 as the date at which the Lord's presence and the 'harvest' began." "The evidence satisfied me," Russell said. 10 Jonsson noted:

    It is apparent that during these meetings Russell accepted all of Barbour's time calculations, including his calculation of the Gentile times. While still in Philadelphia, Russell wrote an article entitled "Gentile Times: When do They End?" which was published in George Storrs' periodical the Bible Examiner in the October 1876 issue. 11

    Barbour and Russell soon became partners in publishing Herald of the Morning, Russell becoming an assistant editor of the Adventist magazine.

    Herald of the Morning

    Herald of the Morning, July, 1878.
    C.T. Russell, J.H. Paton listed as assistant editors. "Times of the Gentiles end in 1914" bottom right.

    Pastor Russell's significance to the current religion of Jehovah's Witnesses becomes embarassing in light of the above.

    Why?

    Russell cannot be singled out as having included anything at all in his teaching which ORIGINATED from his status vis a vis Jehovah!

    The peculiar and necessary doctrine of FAITHFUL AND DISCREET SLAVE implies that Jehovah works through ONE single channel of communication. If all of Russell's teachings came from outside sources---where does that leave him as channel??

    It becomes all too evident that the source of Russell's "teaching" is not Jehovah. It is sectarian die-hards, pyramidologists, dispensationalists and not Jehovah!

    What Pastor Russell did was spend his considerable fortune in assembling ALREADY EXISTING crackpot guesses, conjectures, theories and flim-flam under one heading while distilling them into STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES.

    Studies in the "Scriptures?"

    More accurate would be "Studies in Other People's Ideas."

    To put his own name to authorship of these plagarized notions and allow himself (privately) to be singled out as the channel of God's communication is nothing short of Intellectual Dishonesty.

    Jehovah's Witnesses today cannot find a legitimate way to unhitch their wagon from Pastor Russell. But, they seek to minimize the influence of the Adventists.

    Nelson Barbour and his teachings, ideas and ESPECIALLY HIS 1914 INVISIBLE PRESENCE conjectures are the lynchpin of Modern Day Jehovah's Witnesses.

    In the Proclaimers book the Society dances around his contributions and try to minimize him and belittle him.

    For good reason!

    HE is the source and "mouthpiece" of their KEY teaching!! Not the anointed or FDS!!

    (See http://home.broadpark.no/~jhauglan/rutherford.htm)

  • Terry
    Terry

    Notes on the Proclaimers Book

    http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/notes-on-proclaimers-book.html

    Alan Feuerbacher

    Notes on the JW history book Jehovah’s Witnesses — Proclaimers of God’s Kingdom.

    Overview:

    While generally well written, and well executed technically, much of the book is a collection of anecdotes and story fragments strung together with little apparent continuity.

    In the Society’s usual fashion, the book gives few references for source material. This makes it difficult for a reader to check what has been said.

    The district assembly talk introducing the book said that it was a candid look at the history of Jehovah’s Witnesses. While there are a number of relatively candid discussions of material that used to be covered up, much information has been left out that could have presented a much clearer picture of their history. Likely the Society still wants to keep some of it hidden. In other cases information is presented in bits and pieces, so that the reader sees no continuity of thought. The casual reader will miss much.

    The Catholic Church, and especially its clergy, is hammered hard throughout.

    Specific References

    p. 45 (box) Stetson was probably an Adventist, but this is not mentioned.

    p. 46 § 2 Tries to give the impression that Russell had believed in the invisible presence doctrine for some time prior to 1874, although nothing is explicitly stated. The evidence is that Russell didn’t come to believe this until after the failed expectations of N. H. Barbour and some Adventists for October, 1874. See Penton, Apocalypse Delayed, p. 310, Note 19; Jonsson, The Gentile Times Reconsidered, pp. 26-7. It’s not likely Russell was unaware of Barbour’s prediction. He was certainly aware of the Adventist predictions; see p. 132, P 5.

    p. 46 § 3 First mention in the book of belief that Christ’s presence began in 1874.

    p. 47 § 2 Admits that Object And Manner was first published in 1877, not 1873 as Jehovah’s Witnesses In The Divine Purpose had claimed. See pp. 557, 575. See Penton, p. 17. See the Watchtower Publications Indexes under “Watch Tower Publications, Booklets.” The 1986-1990 Index doesn’t list it at all, the 1930-1985 Index lists it as 1873, the 1930-1960 Index lists it as 1877 (!!!!).

    p. 47 § 5 Fails to mention anything about the prediction Barbour and Russell made in Three Worlds that 1878 would see the resurrection. This is mentioned later in the book, however. See p. 632 P 1. Also see the extended discussion at the end of these notes.

    Note that in all the discussion of chapter 5, ostensibly about what was believed from 1870-1914, nothing whatsoever was said about the particulars of the 1914 calculation. 606 B.C. is not mentioned. Probably this is done to avoid having JWs start questioning why 606 was changed to 607 B.C. for the start of the Gentile Times, and much stickier, why the destruction of Jerusalem was moved back by one year. This last is completely unjustifiable, as the discussions on page 239 of The Truth Shall Make You Free and page 171 of The Kingdom Is At Hand show. The latter book flat-out lied in its claim about this.

    p. 60 § 4 Typical phrasing to minimize certainty and extent of Russell’s claims: “not all that they expected had been directly stated in Scripture.” The truth is, nothing they expected was even implied in scripture, which is proved in that everything they expected failed.

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    Thats a very good point Terry, something that I have been trying to say previously,

    I guess you could say C.T. wasn't very discreet after all on where he received his light .

    Whats good for marketing isn't necessarily the pertinent Truth as we know it to be.

    Plagiarism of other peoples ideas may be the real Truth of the matter, in this case.

    Russell reeks of a turn of the century flim flam man though doesn't he, I think so.

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Thanks Terry! I've been going through the old Studies in the Scriptures, re-examining how this crap all got started. I was wondering how he came up with all this stuff. It would be impossible for him to have come up with all these crazy notions alone.

    WTBTS has re-written their history to generate a very different view of CTRussell and what he taught. They've washed and groomed and scrubbed to make it look like little has changed from the first Botchtower issue. As much as has changed, though, I've found it interesting how some of the wording and explanations are very similar to what is still used today in presenting a very weighted argument in an effort to support an idea. At the same time, speaking down in a way to try to hush any that would disagree.

    B the X

  • Terry
    Terry

    Thanks Terry! I've been going through the old Studies in the Scriptures, re-examining how this crap all got started. I was wondering how he came up with all this stuff. It would be impossible for him to have come up with all these crazy notions alone.

    WTBTS has re-written their history to generate a very different view of CTRussell and what he taught. They've washed and groomed and scrubbed to make it look like little has changed from the first Botchtower issue. As much as has changed, though, I've found it interesting how some of the wording and explanations are very similar to what is still used today in presenting a very weighted argument in an effort to support an idea. At the same time, speaking down in a way to try to hush any that would disagree.

    Russell's talent or charisma seems to have come from those large and soulful eyes and his manner of expression.

    His writing has a pure and reasoned tone to it. I like it. It has a hypnotising ineluctability.

    If it were not for the pyramidology section.......

    I met, a few years ago, a Bible Student who reveres Russell and his writing. He and his son spend their lives disseminating Russell's ouvre at their own expense. Very nice man. So dedicated and selfless.

    It must be tough for these Bible Students. But, not as tough as it is for Rutherford's JW's!

  • RR
    RR

    If you guys had actually read what Russell said about THE DIVINE PLAN, you would know that about 95% of what he taught did not originate with him. Russell himself admitted it. Don't blame Russell for what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach about him. They certainly can't be trausted, since they rejected just about everything he taught and what they did keep they distorted.

    In Reprint 3821, Russell stated:

    Thus, I confess indebtedness to Adventists as well as to other denominations.

    In the same article titled HARVEST SIFTINGS, he stated in regards to the Presence and 1874:

    I recalled certain arguments used by my friend Jonas Wendell and other Adventists to prove that 1873 would witness the burning of the world, etc.--the chronology of the world showing that the six thousand years from Adam ended with the beginning of 1873--and other arguments drawn from the Scriptures and supposed to coincide. Could it be that these time arguments, which I had passed by as unworthy of attention, really contained an important truth which they had misapplied? Anxious to learn, from any quarter, whatever God had to teach, I at once wrote to Mr. Barbour, informing him of my harmony on other points and desiring to know particularly why, and upon what Scriptural evidences, he held that Christ's presence and the harvesting of the Gospel age dated from the Autumn of 1874
  • james_woods
    james_woods

    I thought this deserved another trip around, because of the other two Russell/Rutherford transition era threads. Now, it so happened that I knew about Barbour and the origins of the 1874 way back in the mid 1960s - primarily because the old couple who studied with my folks were real old-timers.

    Their take on this was that Barbour was somehow wrong about certain aspects of the 1874 and 1914, but that when Russell (then the "faithful and discreet slave" - self proclaimed) tried to correct him, they had a parting of the ways, as Nelson Barbour had become "prideful".

    The reality, of course, was a lot simpler than that - a power struggle between the two architects of the chronology doctrines. And Russell, of course, won the day. I guess it was a simple enough thing to make the invisible presence be 1914 instead of 1874 and make the earlier date a sort of "sifting time" after 1914 came and went with no return.

    I would guess that only 3 or 4 witnesses today out of 100 would even know what 1874 was, or who N. Barbour was, in Watchtower history.

    BTW - this also gives us a strong hint as to why Russell had to be so adamant that he and he alone was the "faithful and discreet slave" - there were others with far greater scholarly credentials and originality of his doctrines standing in his way.

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Terry,

    I am pleased that you are bringing to the Board the research of Jan Haugland. Jan posted on this Board during its first couple of years and contributed a tremendous amount of information on the subject of the WTS. His work on the 'blood' issue is especially compelling.

    For any still interested in WTS matters, a search of his posted topics will be rewarded.

    HS

  • Terry
    Terry

    Terry,

    I am pleased that you are bringing to the Board the research of Jan Haugland. Jan posted on this Board during its first couple of years and contributed a tremendous amount of information on the subject of the WTS. His work on the 'blood' issue is especially compelling.

    For any still interested in WTS matters, a search of his posted topics will be rewarded.

    HS

    It is almost a crime that Haugland's Master Thesis isn't "required" reading here on JWD! Haugland acts as a credible filter on just about everything of interest in print as he assembles his thesis on J.F.Rutherford and the evolution of the bible students into JW's of today.

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Terry,

    Of topic I know:

    It is almost a crime that Haugland's Master Thesis isn't "required" reading here on JWD! Haugland acts as a credible filter on just about everything of interest in print as he assembles his thesis on J.F.Rutherford and the evolution of the bible students into JW's of today.

    I just do not think there is that much interest among Board members these days for the kind of work that Jan produced. Most threads these days are really just 'upmarket' chat logs, with the odd interesting thread thrown in. I suppose there are only so many ways that one can sing the same song.

    However, there are thousands of lurkers who need information, so your time is not wasted. Information, education is the key to emotional liberation from a cultic environment. I have noticed that some people who post here, despite not going to meetings etc, are still emotionally attached in many ways to the WTS. I think this is due to the fact that they have not 'informed' themselves out of the WTS but have just drifted in with a new style of 'friend'.

    Some of the most compelling essays written about the WTS were done in the early days of the Internet and are still out there ready for research for those who need them. Information is the only sort of support that really frees a person from the damaging emotional thinking that a high control religion, like the WTS, impresses on the mind.

    HS

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