I'm thinking of that WATER4GAS offer -- you tried it on your vehicle?

by Fatfreek 22 Replies latest jw friends

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  Fatfreek

  I first got this uTube video showing a news report on a $1,200 device add-on to your vehicle. Basically, it injects a small quantity of hydrogen into your fuel intake port which reportedly increases your fuel efficiency -- some 60% and more.

  The Florida TV station set up its own testing of the device (Hydro4000.com) on one of their vehicles and reported before and after economy results. An outstanding report from mainstream media.

  At the present cost of gas one can pay off this system in less than a year.

  Still scary.

  With a bit of Google searching anybody can find alternative do-it-yourself systems (or have your mechanic do it with easy to understand instructions) using off the shelf hardware for less than $200. A prominent online fellow sells his instructions in the form of two eBooks that can be downloaded for less than $100.

  A few questions I had was, How much water? Perhaps a quart of distilled water per 1,000 miles. A teaspoon of baking soda to act as a catalyst.

  Does it destroy your engine, valves, etc. Not according to reports.

  How long does it take an ordinary person to install? Less than an hour.

  How much maintenance attention? Less than 5 minutes per week.

  I'm tempted. What do you think?

  Len Miller
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  Satanus

  'A prominent online fellow sells his instructions in the form of two eBooks that can be downloaded for less than $100.'
  <br><br>Why isn't the guy selling the parts that are needed? Sounds like you gotta do everything yourslef. Sounds like you are on your own, attempting to do something that looks good on paper, but won't actually work. It will take a lot of time and money, and cause you a lot of frustration. In the meantime, dickhead is pulling in hundreds of dollars. Find out if dickhead has a working daily driving vehicle. Go see the thing. Actually get inside and drive it. That will save you a lot of frustration. If it's not working, spit in his face, call him a few names, and leave.
  
  S
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  james_woods

  OK - I post on two car forums: One for Ferrari, one for the ZR-1 Corvette.

  This has come up numerous times on both, and is viewed by at least 97% as total BS. This always happens whenever there is a gas crises, or a big price increase like we see now - gas mileage gimmicks come out of the woodwork at such times.

  The problem with it is this: The second law of thermodynamics. In chemical heat reactions, you can never get as much energy out of the process as it took to produce the fuel and oxidant in the first place. What this purports to do, is to use electricity from your alternator/battery system to split water into hydrogen and oxygen, and then burn the hydrogen as a fuel supplement to your normal gas.

  But, your engine has to turn the alternator to make the electricity, which is making hydrogen at a net energy loss. Then, the hydrogen is burned in the engine at another net loss (in fact, at only about 20% heat efficiency), and cannot ever make up the energy it took to make the hydrogen in the first place.

  Think about it this way - there is only a small vessel of water there. Water is only 2 parts by weight out of 18 made of hydrogen. This tiny bit of hydrogen is somehow going to power your car over long distances and give you much better mileage? Even if you could make it without using any engine electrical power?

  Thermodynamics for gamplers: You cannot win, you cannot break even, and you cannot get out of the game.
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  BurnTheShips

  Save your money FF. These are all gimmicks. James summed it up about right. You cannot get energy out without putting energy in and a quart of water does not cut it. The only way I know of that water has been used is as a coolant to cool incoming fuel and air. "Water injection" This allows greater compression ratios without predetonation and thus more horsepower per unit if displacement. This was a common feature in WWII fighter aircraft.

  BTS
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  LockedChaos

  See much of this over the years

  Usually Does not work

  Save Your money
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  amicus

  I've found this subject to be interesting, The use of hydrogen generators to help fuel combustion engines. I understand the logic that it takes energy to split h20 into H H O, hence the gain is offset by the energy used to spin the alternator.

  The reasoning that the H H O works not as a fuel per se but as an addittive, which makes for more efficient combustion and less tailpipe emmissions, is what I'm curious about. Most of what I have read on the net is nonsense on both sides of the argument.

  If I spent enough $$ on fuel to make it worthwile I'd probably drop $500.00 us or so on a unit made by someone like "Magdrive". I'd do it out of curiosity more than anything else. I'd have to see it myself to believe it.

  Don't waste your time or $$ on do-it-yourself gimmicks. The only way it could possibly work is if the hydrogen generator was far more efficient than one most of us could construct at home.

  The Magdrive site was one of the more interesting ones, and they have some interesting design concepts for a small scale operation.
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  BurnTheShips

  If I spent enough $$ on fuel to make it worthwile I'd probably drop $500.00 us or so on a unit made by someone like "Magdrive". I'd do it out of curiosity more than anything else. I'd have to see it myself to believe it.

  Hows that work? Crack your own water at home using standard electric?

  BTS
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  amicus

  Hows that work? Crack your own water at home using standard electric?

  Well it's easy to make a simple hydrogen generator. Water (with some catalysts probably, pure water dosen't conduct electricity), a power source and an anode and cathode is all that's required. Making it cost effective is the problem.

  Some of the small start-ups working on the auto applications have some pretty efficient designs. Like I said, I'd want to see the results myself before I believed the claims. I suppose if the claim that the "h h o" did make for more efficient combustion when added to a fossile fuel, but didn't quite offset the alternator load, a few solar cells could power the generator.

  I dunno. I want a neighbor to buy one so I see for myself. ;-)
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  BurnTheShips

  Amicus, I think batteries are the way to go.

  New tech:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery

  This is the place to get your info:

  http://www.autobloggreen.com/

  All the latest news.

  Cheers,

  Burn
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  amicus

  Amicus, I think batteries are the way to go.

  I agree. Batteries used to power electric vehicles. We continue to see slow but steady improvement in battery storage. The more research the better in that field as far as I'm concerned.

  The electricity used to charge these batteries should be provided by solar arrays in the western US and transmitted over DC transmission lines (that's the US solution anyways..and Canada, we have enough vacant arid land to be able to sell cheap electrical power to Canadaas well as filling our own needs). The excess energy generated by the solar arrays is stored in the form of compressed air used to power air/hydrogen/natural gas turbines at night or when sunlight isn't capable of meeting peak demand. Research will eventually allow the natural gas component to be replaced by hydrogen/compressed air.

  Getting there from where we are now is the tricky part.

  Not trying a thread hijack here though. I want to see one of the better designed hydrogen generators tested. ;-)