Ever wonder how seemingly smart people can be duped?

by fern 32 Replies latest jw friends

  • gloobster
    gloobster

    I don't think it's so much a matter of intelligence as it is of emotional dependency. I think most Witnesses who aren't born into the religion get sucked in in a moment of weakness, whether they are going through hard times or just a period of neediness. Everyone wants to be wanted, accepted and loved. Even very smart people will ignore unpleasant realities for the sake of these things. The problem is, once you ignore them long enough, especially in the context of JW's, the congregation becomes your life, your reality, your friends, your family. To leave then means not only to be ostracized by all of them, but it also means you have to face up to the people you left behind when you joined, if they are even still there. If they aren't there, it's like you just moved to a new city by yourself, and have to start over. If they are there, you are always going to be "that guy that used to be in a cult". Even if this really isn't the case, which it may well be, it will play out in your head that way.

    If you start believing the drivel in the Awake! and Watchtower magazines and their various other literature, it's even worse. I think they've done experiments that have shown highly intelligent people to be more susceptible to brainwashing techniques than less intelligent people, although I can't be sure where I've seen this. Not in the Awake!, I would venture to say. The methods they use are obviously very effective--it's easy to overlook the redundant use of phrases like "Clearly this shows . . . ", "Obviously . . . ", "Apparently, then . . . " followed by one of their peculiar ideas, but they stick in your subconscious. The way they redefine words like "truth" and "loyalty" such that the connotations they have in everyday life project onto the WTS versions of the same. The way the "study" questions in the footnotes in The Watchtower are designed to make you repeat word for word the corresponding sentences in the paragraphs you are being questioned about, fooling you into believing you are thinking for yourself--it's all designed to chip away at your defense mechanisms. If you go to all the meetings and hear the exact same thing pounded into your head over and over again, day after day, week after week, year after year, you WILL start to believe it. It might even be worse for intelligent people, because they have always considered themselves to be able to think critically and logically, and it is an extremely hard and humbling thing for them to admit they are not still doing so, in fact that they have become walking, talking JW literature.

    As far as born-in's go, it is doubtless a different situation. Being raised from childhood as a Jehovah's Witness, as I was, you know nothing else, and it is very difficult to let go of the only thing you've ever known. I was fortunate to have not very devout parents, who stopped going to meetings shortly after I was in grade school, although I continued going to the Hall and out in service on the weekends with my grandparents until I was about 14. Even so, I could not see JW's for what they really were for a long time. I kept making excuses for them, saying they were not that bad, defending them. That's the effect they have on you. I never see my extended completely JW family anymore--I'm not vey close to them anyway, but I think I finally know why. Of course, being brainwashed and being told not to think critically when you have not known anything else makes it doubly hard to leave, regardless of your intelligence. It takes a very strong person (and sometimes years of therapy) to go from being a fully indoctrinated Jehovah's Witness to being free from their influence.

    These are all things that play on universal human needs, emotional needs that have little to do with intelligence.

  • ID Crisis
    ID Crisis

    Hi Fern, Isn't it interesting how we (mis)read posts? I assumed your parents were 'new in the truth' and that you were resisting it ... And here you are, brought up as a JW and your parents long-term JWs ... I feel a bit silly now, telling you 'how to suck eggs' (do you use this expression in the USA?). I'm a JW from an atheist family, with an Anglican-Buddhist husband and two boys who attend some meetings with me. I'm not forcing the so-called truth on them - because I myself struggle with it all ... I often feel like a 'fake' JW - like I'm not a 'real' JW. I look at the long term JWs in my congregation and I'm often tempted to think that it's easier for those who were 'brought up in the truth'. I do realise that's simplistic. I assume (hope) I'm an intelligent person and yet I struggle, I can't quite work it out ... I know many others who struggle. And then there are those who genuinely like it, like your parents. What a wide spectrum of complex experiences! And yet, I do feel very strongly that it's not about intelligence or the lack of it. It's much more complicated. I hope you're doing OK ... ID

  • IP_SEC
    IP_SEC

    Billions of people believe god sexed up a virgin to be reborn on earth and that he is coming back.

    A few of these people are very smart.

    Put that in your bong and smoke it.

  • str8?so is spaghetti..until you heat it up
    str8?so is spaghetti..until you heat it up

    Gloobster can I just say i think your tiny turtle is really cute!

    sorry, off topic...

  • gloobster
    gloobster
    Gloobster can I just say i think your tiny turtle is really cute!

    Why thank you! Thank you very much! I don't know if you noticed, but he's also very pleased!

  • burningbridges
    burningbridges

    cult questions and answers

    Who is vulnerable to cults?

    Everyone has the potential to be susceptible to cult recruitment and coercion at particularly vulnerable points of their life.

    Transitional times tend to increase vulnerability:

    • During a vacation
    • First year away at school
    • A year "off" or after graduation
    • A job change or loss
    • After suffering any loss
    • Upon reaching new life stages
    • Following the break-up of a relationship
    • Soon after moving to another city or country
    • During a search for meaning, or to "find oneself."
    • Lonely, without, or away from friends or family

    Who is the "typical" recruit?

    The recruit can be almost anyone including:

    • From middle to upper socio-economic family backgrounds
    • Sixteen to senior citizen
    • Of average or above-average intelligence
    • Usually well educated, including college graduates
    • Intellectually curious
    • Idealistic or seeking meaning or purpose in life
    • Most vulnerable between high school and college, and between college and career
    • When temporarily unattached
  • Mandette
    Mandette

    I've often wondered the same thing about my parents. They are incredibly intelligent. But yet the JW's have total hold on them.

    I think "that religion" fulfills needs in some people. They're promised an utopia. "Just a little while longer" and they'll be no problems. Life will be great. You won't have to struggle with anything. BUT you have to EARN it. Which is not scriptual. You can't EARN salvation. But yet that seems to appeal to a lot of people especially the older ones that had to work hard for what they have now. My parents are depression kids. They were dirt poor. They've worked for everything they have now. So in a way "that religion" makes sense to them. They are working hard to be in the "New Order" or whatever it's referred to now.

    To those of us that research, and question it's hard to understand what makes them so zealous. About a year ago I had one of the elders ask me if I thought they were brainwashed. I told him that I do believe that. He didn't say another word AND he didn't say anything to my father. That made me go HMMMMMMM. It also just knots me up to think my parents may be in a cult. BUT they find peace in their beliefs. I'm okay with that.

    Of course Fern was NOT calling her parents stupid. She's as puzzled as I am about "that religion".

    Mandette

  • lavendar
    lavendar

    Hi Fern!

    Yes! I've wondered MANY TIMES how my son could be duped by this cult. He is the smartest of all our children, and he is the LAST one I would have thought could be duped. But, then I realized it's not about the intelligence of the person....but their vulerability. They don't choose the cult......the cult chooses them.

    I hope your parents can escape the WTS's clutches someday. All the best to you!

    Lavendar

  • Layla33
    Layla33

    I don't think it has anything to do with intelligence and there are seven documented types of intelligence, anyway. The issue is the type of person and their philosophy. I think people created religion to understand the world around them, created "God" over the years to make sense of things they couldn't make sense of - I don't think people accepting the JW religion are any different than people that are Roman Catholic, Muslim, Jewish or any other religion because essentially they are trying to find answers to life's hard questions.

    Personally I believe that as humans continually evolve, they are moving away from the group-think necessity and away from the need for the religion aspect to an individual personal value way of life.

  • John Doe
    John Doe

    Here's what I wrote on the subject a few years ago:

    Methinks intelligence has little control over the heart, and therefore few beliefs are beyond the realm of any intelligent individual, for the heart sways with yearnings and flutters with desires, ignoring intelligence's reason.

    I hold errant hearts to be no indicator of intellectual worth, nor subject to any cause greater than their own yearnings, and so be we torn between two great forces, sometimes mutually parallel, and sometimes awkwardly askew. Our lives are then wrought with yearning to decode a universal truth for measurement of these forces, a certainty that likely will never exist.

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