by LockedChaos 18 Replies latest jw friends
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People believe things which can be measured are true things,
and things that cannot be measured are untrue things.
Science is what people point to as a "truth", yet science itself
seems to say that all we can hope to find are patterns in things.
But if that is true, why is one way of explaining a pattern worse than others.
But if that is true, why is one way of explaining a pattern worse than others.
It just depends on which group you are explaining your interpretation of the pattern to.
To Quote:
People believe things which can be measured are true things,
and things that cannot be measured are untrue things.
Science is what people point to as a "truth", yet science itself
seems to say that all we can hope to find are patterns in things.
But if that is true, why is one way of explaining a pattern worse than others.
Quoted from where I wonder, because I can't remember being taught that 'Science' says anything.
Belief without evidence is little more than gossip.
Belief without evidence is little more than gossip.
The epistemology of science itself is built on axioms.
BTS
As long as it is honest science and not the crap "science" where they alter the experiments to fit the desired results, science will advance us closer to the truth. Science helps to determine the hows and whys. Of course it is not perfect. But as results are repeated, mistakes are fixed and better technology allows better observations. And we continue to learn.
Religion, on the other hand, defines a set of hypotheses as if they were truth. Doing experiments and making observations is usually banned, resulting in the errors being set in stone.
People believe things which can be measured are true things,
and things that cannot be measured are untrue things.
Science is what people point to as a "truth", yet science itself
seems to say that all we can hope to find are patterns in things.
But if that is true, why is one way of explaining a pattern worse than others.
That quote you mention is a small minded and false perception of what science is about.
Science does not attempt to "uncover truth", but attempts to explain the physical workings of our universe. Science, by design, when it can not measure a phenomenon it not labeled as untrue. By phenomenon i do not mean faith, but all the different physical manifestations our universe.
The statement above seems written by a creationist or religious zealot trying to discredit the objectivity of science.
actuallly, when you really think about it. While science find answers, it just uncovers more questions.
Lots of people live in a fairy tale world where they think we've figured most stuff out. The reality is, we've only begun to figure out that there is a whole lot we don't know.
LockedChaos:
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From whom? You didn't specify a source.
People believe things which can be measured are true things, and things that cannot be measured are untrue things.
I disagree. Things that can be measured can be discovered to be either true or false, while things that cannot be measured cannot be discovered to be true or false.
Science is what people point to as a "truth", yet science itself seems to say that all we can hope to find are patterns in things. But if that is true, why is one way of explaining a pattern worse than others.
Because some ways can make accurate predictions and some can't. Science is (more or less) the process of sorting out which explanations most closely correspond to reality.
Heisenberg, Planck, Einstein, Wolfgang Pauli should all be consulted first as should research into the Higgs Boson.
I also loved the story behind the discovery of the neutrino (to be more precise it was the anti-neutrino) in neutron decay. Science at its wondrous best.
BTS
If you can't make your point in plain English then you probably don't understand what you are saying.
Once you have clarified which axioms you object to (or that you believe puts science on some kind of par with religous belief) then perhaps further debate will be possible, until then it sounds like you are pontificating.
