As for the DMT, w/o having read up on it specifically; I will say that I think that an experience using Lysergic acid diethylamide would be a positive, life changing event for many (most?) people; even what many people would call "spiritual".
NDE
by BurnTheShips 30 Replies latest jw friends
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BurnTheShips
Yeah, cuz that wouldn't change anyone forever.
How witty, it must be so hard for you to not feel smug.
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jaguarbass
My brother has out of body experiences. Which he induces with information from this web site.
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/
He started doing it after my father died. He says he has seen my father, the families dead dogs and other realitives.
But its kind of like a near death experience.
It seems to all be in ones head.
He argues that the head, mind brain is the reciever to that dimension just as a radio, tv set are recievers here.
When my father was on his death bed dying from prostrate cancer he said his realitives who had already passed over were visiting him.
A good movie on this is "What dreams may come with Robin Williams.
As far as beliving in an after life and hell and Jesus the people who do the out of body research are suggesting that your after life is based on what you believe.
If you are a good jw and go to meetings and out in service when you die. Your next life will probably be in a kingdom hall going to meetings and dealing with the new order.
If you are a good catholic/ baptist etc when you die, you will probably go to a place that you imagine to be heaven and hang out with Jesus.
If you are a bad catholic or baptist or feel you are a bad catholic/ baptist you will probably go to a place you imagine to be hell and hang out with Lucifer.
This would go along with the scripture as a man thinks so is he.
Gang bangers in the hood who like the gangster life and get killed probably get reborn to another gangster life in a place a good person would imagine as hell.
Science backs this up to a degree with quantum physics and multiple universes.
Science has seen particles existing in 2 places at the same time.
I work in a jail and as I see there are deffinitely evil people who enjoy evil things. They like to do evil, listen to evil and watch evil and when they die they will probably go to a place that a good/nice person describes as hell.
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sir82
As far as beliving in an after life and hell and Jesus the people who do the out of body research are suggesting that your after life is based on what you believe.
I believe in Kate Winslet, Maria Sharapova, Scarlet Johansen, the entire Vctoria's Secret catalog....
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MissingLink
Thanks for sharing Burn. Interresting to know that the JWs aren't the only wacko religious freaks in town.
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Deputy Dog
Burn
The Gospel is more than a just a narrative of what happened with Jesus.
Never said it was.
It is a promise and a hope.
Of what?
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frankiespeakin
This guy needs some help in understanding his NDE;
He was an athiest, has a vision of hell, and then swung far right to became a FUNdaMENTAList preacher who hasn't a clue about mythological stories, or architypes from the collective human unconscious.
It would have been better for him if he got hooked up with a good Jungian Transpersonal Psychologist/Analyst to helped him better understand his enlightening experience, instead of doing what he did and getting caught up in the highly biased, save souls from hell,, beleive in Jesus and everything will be OK crowd.(JW got me durring one of those vulnerable times which led to decades of chassing my tail waiting for god to end the world and escaping his wrath).
NDE's have a very life altering quality to them. Perhaps the same as the NDEs caused by Ketamine,DMT, big doses of LSD, Shrooms, and other drugs. Psycholgical Imprinting, changes in our mental functions, and how we process them occur durring NDE and after(that's why I try to be alone both durring and afterwards for some time afterwards just to avoid any negative or sometimes harmful imprinting (set and setting is very important for a few days).
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BurnTheShips
He was an athiest, has a vision of hell, and then swung far right to became a FUNdaMENTAList preacher who hasn't a clue about mythological stories, or architypes from the collective human unconscious.
Read the wiki on him, he does not sound like a fundie to me, on the contrary, a universalist that chose to live within a particular tradition:
Howard Storm's main focus of his message is primarily about the importance of love and peaceful unity among people, who he says are "all loved by God". He constantly reiterates the importance of caring for others and seeking spiritual truth. In his book he states that he was informed by these beings of light that the "correct religion" is that religion that "brings you closest to God", negating his attempt to force them to say that one specific religion or denomination was "the only correct one".
BTS
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frankiespeakin
Burn,
In his book he states that he was informed by these beings of light that the "correct religion" is that religion that "brings you closest to God", negating his attempt to force them to say that one specific religion or denomination was "the only correct one".
To me the answers are all about asking the right questions, and the fact that he was asking the wrong question about finding the correct religion. To me it indicates a person stuck in the idea that there must be a true religion serving god correctly if god exist; this questioning indicates a rather childlike simplistic black & white type of indoctrination thought loop going on in his mind. The question is a poor one that indicates the level of black&white thinking going on in his world view & evaluation.
He also seems to be very much plagued by this experience perhaps frightened? Thus the strong emotions when relating his experience about hell. What a crazy thought loop to keep running thru one head while he goes off to podium time and time again relating and reinforcing the fundamentalist christian interpetation over and over again as he goes from church to church to warn people about hell and accepting Jesus Christ.
I really think he would be better served if he went to a good Psychiatrist and better understood what his NDE was someone that perhaps is a Transperonal Psychiatrist and has experience in this field.
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frankiespeakin
Burn,
On this subject I think it important to realize that both altered and unaltered consciousness are both illusions and are mental constructs influeneced by cultural, relgious, & state indoctrination. The more profoundly one understands this, the more one can understand himself and his experiences and how the mind works with it's illusions. Shaman's capitalize on this and feel equally comfortable with both,,and use psycholgical tricks to get one to heal one's self,, here set and setting are crucial,,illusions if good and effective and if faith is strong produce the cure.
Mythology plays an important function in the human psychie, having a good type of mythology has many ++++s, having a mythology that involves a vengeful and vindictive supreme being that is watching your every move and thought of the heart and is keeping score has many negative drawbacks, and serves to keep people in a mental illusion of not displeasing this deity by thier thoughts and actions and makes them highly succeptable to manipulation by preachers (some good some bad) but always restricting and full of doos and don'ts,,, or else!
I might even venture to say that if you beleive in a hell and feel you are going thier strong enough your consciousness will experience it when you die,,That's why I'm carefully sceptical of such types of mythology, it's nothing I want stuck in my psychie when I die, or maybe more correctly put(one never knows) I don't want the ghost in my machine going to any hell but striaght to Nirvana with as few stops as possible on the way (good sex might cause me to make a temporary detour )(in the Tibetian Book of the Dead sense thus avioding the Third Bardo: http://www.lycaeum.org/books/books/psychedelic_experience/tib23.html).