Well Cameo, what I'm pretty sure Devilsnook meant was that both baby bulls and baby cows are called calves. In other words, the term "calf" does not in itself identify the gender of the subject. Calves are either male or female, they are not genderless "like the angels", neither are they of both genders like so many residents of Southern California.
Don't have a cow! Golden Calf II
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cameo-d
"calf" does not in itself identify the gender
Marhalhasahabz, Thank you very much for clarifying that.
Do you have any idea why they would choose a calf? What dos it represent?
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wha happened?
It represents what all the future postings would be like on this website
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cameo-d
It represents what all the future postings would be like on this website
I do not understand what this means. Please explain. And please tell me how this contributes to the topic.
I would like to know if anyone can see symbolism in this choice of bovine representation.
Another thing that intrigues me is that this seems to make a change from cow sacrifice to cow worship. Why?
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wha happened?
I guess I'll explain it in The Golden Calf III
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MAHERSHALALHASHBAZ
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it-1p.207***There is evidence to show that astrology was closely allied with the worship of Molech, a god who was sometimes depicted with a bull’s head. The bull was worshiped by the Babylonians, Canaanites, Egyptians, and others as a symbol of their deities—Marduk, Molech, Baal, and so forth. The bull was one of the most important signs of the zodiac, Taurus. The sun-god was often represented by bulls, the horns signifying the rays, and the bull’s strong reproductive power, the sun’s power as "giver of life." The female, the cow, was given equal honor as a symbol of Ishtar or Astarte, as she was variously called.
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Leolaia
The interesting thing about that quote is that the Society is unaware that the bull was used to represent two other gods: El and Yahweh (both names of Israel's god in the OT). Yes, even "Jehovah" himself was referred to as a bull and depicted with bovine imagery. What is too easily missed is that idolatry did not necessarily involve the worship of other gods. In ancient Israel, the worship of Yahweh itself often involved such imagery.
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Just a thought, but perhaps it represents a virgin sacrifice? I'm serious, the calf is a virgin.
Jehovah was big on virgin sacrifices. recall the daughter who greeted her father and ended up being a virgin sacrifice.
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cameo-d
Yes, even "Jehovah" himself was referred to as a bull and depicted with bovine imagery.
I never ever heard of this! Can you tell me where you find this information? It does seem to fit as a very good metaphor for this tempermental god.
Jehovah was big on virgin sacrifices . recall the daughter who greeted her father and ended up being a virgin sacrifice.
Ooooh. This is getting to be a scary story.
I would pick you two to come to my house for a home Bible study course.
This sounds more like a pagan god or ......
Please tell me moe.
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reniaa
does the poster never use wikipedia?
The golden calf (??? ????) was an idol (a cult image) made for the Israelites during Moses' absence, as he went up to Mount Sinai. According to the Hebrew Bible, the calf was made by Aaron to satisfy the Israelites, whereas the Quran indicates the maker to be Samiri.
In Hebrew, the incident is known as "Chet ha'Egel" (??? ????) or "The Sin of the Calf". It is first mentioned in Exodus32:4 (Taha20:83 in the Quran). In Egypt, whence the Hebrews had recently come, the Apis Bull was the comparable object of worship, which the Hebrews were reviving in the wilderness. Among the Egyptians' and Hebrews' neighbors in the Ancient Near East and in the Aegean, the Aurochs, the wild bull, was widely worshipped, often as the Lunar Bull and as the creature of El. Its Minoan manifestation survived as the Cretan Bull of Greek myth
baal is also represented by a calf and a later israelite king who turned to baal worship jeroboam built 2 golden calf statues to baal.
People have always had a tendency to want to build images because we like to see and touch what we believe in, that God has always been against this since the first 2 commandments cover worshiping false Gods and making images to represent God is also a given so unfortunately in this sense there has always been a conflict.