UK’s first official sharia courts

by betterdaze 15 Replies latest social current

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  mustang

  BTS:

  Exactly. I am currently involved in Bankruptcy Court (that's Federal) as a Creditor (Involuntary case). There are some Middle Eastern types involved here. Numbers being thrown about are for the larger part of 10 M$'s. There is no way some mumbo-jumbo cleric will get the say-so here.

  It's really a farce. If it is within their own community and they agree to it, I suppose that it is little more than arbitration. But if it steps outside those bounds, they won't get any consensus and are stuck with the "Law of the Land". The important thing is that Secular Law should never mix with Church Law.

  I'm also involved in a Small Claims Court (in another country); there is no way I would let that be decided by a cleric.

  From what I've neard of the edcuation that these guys are given, it is rote memorization of 10,000 chants. That's not good enough for my day in court or my divorce. And forget about them getting near my money.

  Mustang

  This is for the
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  BurnTheShips

  From what I've neard of the edcuation tghat these guys are given, it is rote memeorization of 10,000 chants. That's not good enough for my day in court or my divorce.

  Same here, not good enough for me, but it is good enough for them. If they voluntarily want to submit to sharia arbitration, it is their business, as far as I am concerned. The key is voluntary. There can be no cultlike coercion involved.

  BTS
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  mustang

  If it comes here, I still say fight it on Constitutional grounds. I'm already researching ways to make that happen.

  Mustang
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  LDH

  If it is within their own community and they agree to it, I suppose that it is little more than arbitration. But if it steps outside those bounds, they won't get any consensus and are stuck with the "Law of the Land". The important thing is that Secular Law should never mix with Church Law

  Completely agreed.
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  mustang

  Marriage and Divorce are traditonally handled by the local government (for the License, at least in Marriage). If the License (& Registration, thereof) is handled at the Hall of Records, then anybody can perform the ceremony: JP, Judge, Minister. So, that is pretty redundant and toothless: who needs an imitation cOURT.

  Divorces are pretty nasty business and should require a more professional appraoch; the same can be said for business matters.

  Something that is an unadvertsied feature of the USA is that people here complain, "kick the tires" and generally misbehave from the point of view of many foreign countries. Many people coming to the USA are unprepared for this. Relative to the highly structered societies of a lot of other countries, we are freewheeling radicals. WE NEED TO KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

  I do know of instances where we have tried to export this and gotten into trouble with foreign Laws. That's OK, too. If a traveler is dumb enough to impose his mores on the next guy, its caveat emptor.

  Mustang
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  mustang

  But doesn't submission to arbitration have to be voluntary? Without voluntary submission, a Muslim can appeal to the state court system instead.

  And the problem is that it could come unraveled with a grievance over the outcome. These things can be disclaimed and revert to the REAL legal system.

  Better get a release on anything that is decided. And once again, there you are, back to the REAL legal system.

  Mustang