Should Prostitution Be Legalized???

by minimus 71 Replies latest jw friends

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate
    BA, I too think that prostitution is an immoral act. I would like to know the your rationale for banning it.
    BTS

    I knew someone would ask. Were I not a Christian, with my libertarian leanings I would say let it be legal, taxed, and regulated. However, as a Christian, I would be a hypocrite to advocate such, as it is a grevious sin. Therefore, I would uphold the illegal status of prostitution, as well, I would make pornography (non-artistic) illegal as well. I don't see any other way, as a Christian. BA PS- The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. One should, for example, be able to see that things are hopeless yet be determined to make them otherwise.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    I appreciate your honesty BA. However, I do not believe it is the function of a secular government to legislate morality or enforce sin. This is not in any way advocacy, and I hope you understand the difference.

    BTS

  • FreudianSlip
    FreudianSlip
    The gov. would have to regulate it

    Says who?

    Yes, I do believe (consenting adult) prostitution should be legal for the same reason porn is legal. The employers should require health checks but also provide insurance.

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate

    I appreciate your honesty BA. However, I do not believe it is the function of a secular government to legislate morality or enforce sin. This is not in any way advocacy, and I hope you understand the difference.

    BTS

    This is indeed a difficult subject. While I agree to some extent with your statement, I'll point out where I see the errors and slippery slope:

    The government does rightly legislate morality (what believers regard as sin). Examples are murder, theft, rape, extortion, robbery, burglary, etc.

    I agree that calling it "sin" is riling to unbelievers, yet, at it's core, we have these morals because we recognize these acts do not benfit the victim, they are not victimless crimes.

    I do not believe, (and I would gladly debate the subject) that anyone would have sex for money completely willingly. If someone chooses to fornicate, pleasure, not making money is the natural driver. In a perverse materialistic society, the lines become blurred, and making easy money by doing something enjoyable robs, perhaps very slowly, and so without relaization, the prostitute of their character and "soul", their dignity, their right to be loved for who they are rather than what they will do for money.

    As I stated, it's a difficult subject. I do understand your point you are trying to make about it not being advocacy, in it's superficial intent. However, I believe it boils down to indifference and lack of compassion to not support the protection of (yes, even the willing) from destroying a key part of their humanity that they can not regain once they have gone down that road.

    Prostitution is not just another job, it does something that is fundamentally dehumanizing in order to accommodate instincts that in a truly ‘better world,’ would be channeled into more fruitful and dignified relationships.

    BA- Tough question.

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    Legalize it. Not everyone is interested in the complications of "relationships" but would still like a little action once in a while. Old, fat, ugly bastards like me don't have much luck doing the bar scene. It's cheaper than marriage, and a hell of a lot cheaper than divorce.

    Might be good for the economy too.

    W

  • Aculama
    Aculama

    Burn the ships, Good point, I hadn't thought of that. (taxes)

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Thanks.

    The government does rightly legislate morality (what believers regard as sin). Examples are murder, theft, rape, extortion, robbery, burglary, etc.

    There is a key difference between the list above and consenting sex, even if for compensation: coercion and violation. The above acts all force another, or forcibly deprive another of what is their right, therefore there is always a victim. Prostitution is commerce and trade, even if it is morally degraded. In this it is no different from pornography production.

    Prostitution is not just another job, it does something that is fundamentally dehumanizing in order to accommodate instincts that in a truly ‘better world,’ would be channeled into more fruitful and dignified relationships.

    In a better world a law against it would not be perceived as necessary by well meaning individuals, the practice would not exist.

    BTS

  • Aculama
    Aculama

    Freudianslip, I just figured by the time it made it through all three branches of government it would probably have a ton of regulatory issues that would tie it up in red tape indefinatly.

  • yknot
    yknot

    I think some of you boys are looking at this issue from a purely lustful & taxing stance......

    Now fast forward to a world where your mother chooses to become a prositute, or maybe your grandmother, aunt, sister, daughter, or grandaughter.

    Wait.... if it is legal....your wife, mother of your children (well maybe yours) decides to start a very profitable home business of being a prostitute. She has built up quite a clientele of your neighbors, a couple of buddies who always wanted to nail her, your cousin, maybe even your dad or stepdad too, daddies from your child's little league, and from your company. She is not cheating either... she is just working a 'honest' job

    Your 18 year old daughter says forget college dad.... I can pole dance in the evening and make 'appointments' during the day! Or maybe she runs a call service out of her dorm. Just think of how many boys she will have sucked and slept with by the time she receives her degree. Maybe she then moves home and starts working with mom too.

    Sadly it would only be a matter of time before most men viewed all women (not related to them) as prostitutes or potential prostitutes.... so now a rapist leaves a few dollars and claims it was consensual. Male bosses would expect sexual favors more then they do now. The car dealer/repair man tells your wife or daughter he will trade or discount if they are willing to put out. Sex becomes a daily discussion for women, having men solicit them constantly. Being reduced daily to nothing more then a hang of hair and bag of bones.

    ......and all of this is not even considering that your sons, brothers, uncles, dads or buddies might become prostitutes too.

    So your wife might be ordering up some of that on the side when you don't pay enough attention to her to make her feel desired or you piss her off. She didn't cheat on you, she merely bought an honest service, similar to a mani/pedi.

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate
    There is a key difference between the list above and consenting sex, even if for compensation: coercion and violation. The above acts all force another, therefore there is always a victim. Prostitution is commerce and trade, even if it is morally degraded. In this it is no different from pornography production.

    I repeat- I do not believe any one would prostitute themselves if they knew the toll it would take on their humanity.

    Christ's word's come to mind- "for what benefit does it do a person to gain the whole world but lose the soul?"

    Prostitution, I believe, is not a victimless crime. Many former prostitutes have gone public on this in all forms of media.

    The point I'd like to highlight from the following is that these are staements of former prostitutes who now realize they have been damaged, if they did not realize this before. Prostitution is abusive, unnantural, and indded there is a coercive influence ala the almighty dollar.

    No one would willingly sell their bodies for sex if they thought it through thoroughly, understood the impact it would have on them, assuming they are not drugged or otherwise incapable of rational thought.

    There are numerous ex-porn actors and actresses who have gone public with the same message.

    BA- Here is but a sampling:

    We want you to know:

    We are women who have been harmed by prostitution. We believe that no amount of changing the conditions or the locations in which we were prostituted could ever have significantly reduced that harm.

    We experience the normalizing of that harm by calling it "work" insulting at best.

    It matters very little to us whether we were prostituted on the streets or in the tolerated indoor venues and escort agencies of Vancouver. Our memories are not of the locations but of the men who consistently acted as though we were not quite human. We remember the countless other men and women who daily averted their eyes. We remember the utter lack of services or options that made any sense and the blatant denial of access to any kind of help or justice. We remember the need to "dumb down" our sense of entitlement to a better life so we could bear the one we were in. And we remember too well the numbing despair that came when we finally lost faith that there existed in this world anything decent and good.

    We oppose any measure that would put more power in the hands of the men who abused us by telling them that they are legally entitled to do so. This proposal does not speak for us, would not have affected our level of safety in a way that matters, and would not have spared us the harm that is inherent in prostitution.

    We are not impressed with lip service proposals to make prostituted women’s lives "safer". Safer is not good enough. We consider it a violation of our human rights that we were abandoned to years of situations that fit the definition of sexual assault under current law. But not only is this violence not recorded, not prosecuted, not punished. We are now being told that we chose it.

    We believe that, where there is public and political will, lives can be changed for the better. We do not believe the lie that prostitution is inevitable. We believe it can be abolished.

    As hosts of the 2010 games, we want our city, our home, to refuse to take part in the global flesh market that is sex tourism and send a message to the world that women will not be sold in Vancouver.

    We believe that every sexually exploited woman represents a life wasted. We are greatly saddened for the lives of women lost in prostitution, as well as the loss of the sum of the contributions that countless women still living would have made had they not been abandoned to sexual slavery.

    We urge you all to refuse to believe that prostitution is normal or that is an equal exchange "between two consenting adults".

    SOURCE: X-PALSS (Ex-Prostitutes Against Legislated Sexual Servitude), Vancouver, B.C.

    http://sisyphe.org/article.php3?id_article=2830

    More reading on the subject:

    http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/prostitution_research/000020.html

    http://xrlq.com/2005/02/01/tempest-teapot/

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