Nov. WT: Paradise of Pleasure

by cameo-d 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    I was reading through the Nov. WT that Ynot posted. There was an article that referred to the garden of Eden as the "paradise of pleasure". That wording did not set right with me. At first it conjured up images of a XXX place. At the same time, I had images of Bacchus in my head. For those who are not familiar with Bacchus, he is the god of wine and inspirer of ritual madness and ecstacy. He is the patron god of agriculture and entertainment.

    I find nothing in the scriptures that ever imply "paradise of pleasure." Enjoyment, contentment, camaraderie...now those are different concepts and a lifestyle that sounds like good clean fun. But something just doesn't sound right about "paradise of pleasure". It has a decadent ring to it. A sense of selfishness and lack of care and responsibility.

    Is it just me, or does this concept sound sinister to you?

  • yknot
    yknot

    It is just you.....

    Most JW minds aren't going to conjure XXX stuff.....

    We are programmed with picture of nicely dressed people feeding apples to lions.

    Based on WT illustrations we picture people joyfully enjoying the bounty of a agricultural based society but still all wearing dresses and business casual wear.

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    And that doesn't seem the least bit unrealistic to them?

    I have always heard a leopard does not change his spots. How do they expect these animals to change their natures?

    Wave a magic wand? These pics seem like daydream hypnotism to me.

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    Cameo,

    Were you ever a witness?

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    No, but I have been reading a lot of stuff lately on different religions.

    I know about the New System concept and the Paradise.

    What disturbs me is the way it was worded. It wasn't like "the paradise garden" or something with pastoral images. It just sounded decadent to me the phrase "paradise of pleasures".

  • still_in74
    still_in74
    paradise of pleasure

    it does sound like a porno title though,

  • reniaa
    reniaa
    pleas·ure (plzhr) n. 1. The state or feeling of being pleased or gratified. 2. A source of enjoyment or delight: The graceful skaters were a pleasure to watch. 3. Amusement, diversion, or worldly enjoyment: "Pleasure . . . is a safer guide than either right or duty" Samuel Butler. 4. Sensual gratification or indulgence. 5. One's preference or wish: What is your pleasure? v.pleas·ured, pleas·ur·ing, pleas·ures v.tr. To give pleasure or enjoyment to; gratify: Our host pleasured us with his company. v.intr. 1. To take pleasure; delight: The hiker paused, pleasuring in the sounds of the forest. 2. To go in search of pleasure or enjoyment.

    unfortunately it word that in it's usage on TV etc has come away from it's original meaning so people feel only able to apply it to number 4 in it's translations,

    gay is another such word

    gay (g) adj.gay·er, gay·est 1. Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex. 2. Showing or characterized by cheerfulness and lighthearted excitement; merry. 3. Bright or lively, especially in color: a gay, sunny room. 4. Given to social pleasures. 5. Dissolute; licentious.
    [Middle English gai , lighthearted, brightly colored, from Old French, possibly of Germanic origin.]
  • yknot
    yknot

    And that doesn't seem the least bit unrealistic to them?

    I have always heard a leopard does not change his spots. How do they expect these animals to change their natures?

    Wave a magic wand? These pics seem like daydream hypnotism to me.

    Well I can assure you after 34 years of being a JW..... it is exactly what I and most picture when speaking about paradise.. An active loyal JW would point out to you, your thinking is clearly a product of Satan's influence since you equate the word pleasure with debauchery!.... Is it not a pleasure to have satisfying work, good food, family, and comfort of a world under the reign of Christ and the 144,000 without the influence of Satan and his minions!... Wouldn't such a world where peace reigned be pleasurable? Nope it doesn't seem unrealistic at all once the Armageddon cleanup is complete in JW mind. Paradise to a JW equals an Eden-like earth as you can see from above the WTS illustrations. This has been the WTS schick since before I was born. Magic wand...... no but all things are possible with God. So he has the authority to make the animals harmless to humans and restore things during the 1000 year reign and beyond. Why don't you consider the article below:

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    pechap.19pp.155-165AfterArmageddon,aParadiseEarth***

    Chapter

    19

    After

    Armageddon,aParadiseEarth

    "ARMAGEDDON" is a frightening word to many. Often world leaders use it to refer to a possible World War III. However, the Bible speaks of Armageddon as the place of a righteous war fought by God. (Revelation 16:14, 16, KingJamesVersion) This war of God will prepare the way for a righteous new world.

    2

    Unlike the wars of men, which kill both the good and the bad, Armageddon will destroy only the bad. (Psalm 92:7) Jehovah God will be the Judge, and he will remove any who willfully refuse to obey his righteous laws. Today many persons see nothing wrong with such things as fornication, getting drunk, lying or cheating. But, according to God, these things are wrong. So at Armageddon he will not save those who continue to do them. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; Revelation 21:8) Knowing God’s laws on these matters, it is important for persons who may be practicing such bad things to change their ways.

    3

    After Armageddon no part of this wicked world will remain. Only persons who serve God will continue to live. (1 John 2:17) Jesus Christ compared the situation to that of Noah’s day. (Matthew 24:37-39; 2 Peter 3:5-7, 13; 2:5) After Armageddon, God’s kingdom will be the only government ruling over the earth. Satan and his demons will be gone. (Revelation 20:1-3) Consider, on the following pages, some of the blessings that the Bible indicates obedient people will enjoy.

    ALL

    HUMANKINDATPEACE

    "There has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called . . . Prince of Peace. To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end."—Isaiah 9:6, 7.

    "In his days the righteous one will sprout, and the abundance of peace until the moon is no more. And he will have subjects from sea to sea and from the River to the ends of the earth."—Psalm 72:7, 8.

    NO

    MOREWAR

    "Come, you people, behold the activities of Jehovah, how he has set astonishing events on the earth. He is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth."—Psalm 46:8, 9.

    FINE

    HOMESANDENJOYABLEWORKFOREVERYONE

    "They will certainly build houses and have occupancy . . . They will not build and someone else have occupancy; they will not plant and someone else do the eating . . . the work of their own hands my chosen ones will use to the full. They will not toil for nothing, nor will they bring to birth for disturbance; because they are the offspring made up of the chosen ones of Jehovah, and their descendants with them."—Isaiah 65:21-23.

    CRIME,

    VIOLENCEANDWICKEDNESSGONE

    "For evildoers themselves will be cut off . . . And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; and you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be."—Psalm 37:9, 10.

    "As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it."—Proverbs 2:22.

    ALL

    THEEARTHAPARADISE

    Jesus said: "You will be with me in Paradise."—Luke 23:43.

    "The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it."—Psalm 37:29.

    PLENTY

    OFGOODTHINGSFORALLTOEAT

    "Jehovah of armies will certainly make for all the peoples . . . a banquet of well-oiled dishes, a banquet of wine kept on the dregs, of well-oiled dishes filled with marrow."—Isaiah 25:6.

    "There will come to be plenty of grain on the earth; on the top of the mountains there will be an overflow." "The earth itself will certainly give its produce; God, our God, will bless us."—Psalm 72:16; 67:6.

    4

    Surely you want to live on the paradise earth like the garden in which the first man Adam was created. (Genesis 2:8; Luke 23:43) Think of it—no more war, crime or violence. You will be able to walk anywhere at any time of the day or night without fear of being harmed. The wicked simply will no longer be.—Psalm 37:35-38.

    5

    This means that there will be no dishonest politicians and greedy business leaders to oppress the people. Nor will people be burdened with high taxes to pay for military weapons. Never again will anyone be without good food and comfortable housing because he cannot afford them. Unemployment, inflation and high prices will be no more. The troubles that cause suffering to families today will no longer exist. All will have pleasant work to do, and they will be able to see and enjoy the results of their labors.

    6

    First of all, those who survive Armageddon will have the work of cleaning up the earth and clearing away the ruins of this old system. And then they will have the privilege, under the direction of the Kingdom rule, of cultivating the earth and making it a beautiful place in which to live. What a happy work that will be! God will bless everything that is done. He will provide the right kind of climate to grow crops and raise livestock, and he will see to it that these are protected from disease and harm.

    7

    This promise of the loving Creator, as given through the Bible psalmist, will be fulfilled: "You are opening your hand and satisfying the desire of every living thing." (Psalm 145:16) Yes, all the proper desires of God-fearing persons will be completely satisfied. We cannot even imagine how wonderful life will be in paradise on earth. Telling about God’s arrangement for blessing his people, the apostle Peter wrote: "There are newheavens and a newearth that we are awaiting according to [God’s] promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell."—2 Peter 3:13; Isaiah 65:17; 66:22.

    8

    What are these "new heavens"? They are not new physical heavens. God made our physical heavens perfect, and they bring him glory. (Psalm 8:3; 19:1, 2) The "new heavens" refer to a new rulership over the earth. The "heavens" now are made up of man-made governments. At Armageddon these will pass away. (2 Peter 3:7) The "new heavens" that will replace them will be God’s heavenly government. Its king will be Jesus Christ. But ruling with him as part of the "new heavens" will be 144,000 of his faithful followers.—Revelation 5:9, 10; 14:1, 3.

    9

    What, then, is the "new earth"? It is not a new planet. God made this planet Earth just right for humans to live on, and it is his will that it remain forever. (Psalm 104:5) The "new earth" refers to a new group or society of people. The Bible often uses the word "earth" in such a way. For example, it says: "All the earth [meaning, the people] continued to be of one language." (Genesis 11:1) The "earth" that will be destroyed are the people that make themselves part of this wicked system of things. (2 Peter 3:7) The "new earth" that replaces them will be made up of true servants of God who have separated themselves from this world of wicked people.—John 17:14; 1 John 2:17.

    10

    Right now people of all races and nationalities who will make up part of the "new earth" are being gathered into the Christian congregation. The unity and peace that exist among them is only a small preview of what will make living on the paradise earth after Armageddon such a pleasure. Truly, God’s kingdom will bring to pass what no human government could even hope to do. Just consider a few of such blessings on the following pages.

    A

    LOVINGBROTHERHOODOFALLHUMANKIND

    "God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him."—Acts 10:34, 35.

    "Look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, outofallnationsandtribesandpeoplesandtongues . . . They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore."—Revelation 7:9, 16.

    PEACE

    BETWEENPEOPLEANDANIMALS

    "The wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them."—Isaiah 11:6; Isaiah 65:25.

    NO

    MORESICKNESS,OLDAGEORDEATH

    "At that time the eyes of the blind ones will be opened, and the very ears of the deaf ones will be unstopped. At that time the lame one will climb up just as a stag does, and the tongue of the speechless one will cry out in gladness."—Isaiah 35:5, 6.

    "And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away."—Revelation 21:3, 4.

    THE

    DEADAREBROUGHTBACKTOLIFE

    "The hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice and come out."—John 5:28, 29.

    "The sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Hades gave up those dead in them."—Revelation 20:13.

    11

    How much better the paradise under God’s kingdom will be than anything this old system can bring! True, some people today have made the place where they live into what looks like a paradise. But the people who live together in these places may be mean and selfish, and may even hate one another. And, in time, they get sick, grow old and die. After Armageddon, however, the paradise on earth will include much more than simply beautiful homes, gardens and parks.

    12

    Think of it. People of all races and nationalities will learn to live together as one family of brothers and sisters. They will truly love one another. None will be selfish or unkind. No one will hate another person just because of his race, color, or the place that he comes from. Prejudice will cease to exist. Everyone on earth will become a true friend and neighbor of everyone else. Truly, it will be a paradise in a spiritual way. Would you like to live in this paradise under the "new heavens"?

    13

    Today people talk a lot about living together in peace, and have even set up a "United Nations" organization. Yet people and nations are divided as never before. What is needed? The hearts of people need to change. But it is simply impossible for the governments of this world to perform such a miracle. The Bible’s message about God’s love, however, is doing it.

    14

    Upon learning about the righteous new system, the hearts of many people are being moved to love God. And so they begin to act also in a loving way toward others, just as God does. (1 John 4:9-11, 20) This means a big change in their lives. Many who were mean and hateful, like vicious animals, thus have become meek and peaceable. Like obedient sheep, they are gathered into the Christian flock.

    15

    For over 1,900 years there was a gathering together of the "little flock" of 144,000 Christians who will rule with Christ. Only a few of these are left on earth; most are already ruling with Christ in heaven. (Luke 12:32; Revelation 20:6) But speaking of other Christians, Jesus said: "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold [of the "little flock"]; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd." (John 10:16) A "great crowd" of these "other sheep" are now being gathered. They will make up the first ones of the "new earth." Jehovah will protect them through "the great tribulation" at the end of this wicked system to live on into the earthly paradise.—Revelation 7:9, 10, 13-15.

    16

    After Armageddon another miracle will add to the paradise conditions. Animals such as lions, tigers, leopards and bears, which now can be dangerous, will be at peace. How fine then to take a walk in the woods and to be joined for a while by a lion at your side, and perhaps later by a big bear! Never again will anybody need to fear another living thing.

    17

    Yet no matter how beautiful the homes and gardens, how kind and loving the people, or how friendly the animals, if we got sick, grew old and died there would still be sadness. But who can bring perfect health to all? Human governments have failed to wipe out cancer, heart troubles and other diseases. Yet even if they were to do so, doctors admit that this would not stop people from aging. We would still grow old. In time our eyes would grow dim, our muscles would weaken, our skin would wrinkle and the organs inside our bodies would break down. Death would follow. How sad!

    18

    After Armageddon, in the paradise earth, a grand miracle by God will change all of that, for the Bible promise is: "No resident will say: ‘I am sick.’" (Isaiah 33:24) When Jesus Christ was on earth he proved his power to heal all kinds of sickness and disease, which result because of the sin we inherited from Adam. (Mark 2:1-12; Matthew 15:30, 31) Aging will also be stopped under Kingdom rule. The old will even grow young again. Yes, ‘a man’s flesh will become fresher than in his youth.’ (Job 33:25) What a thrill it will be then to wake up each morning and realize that you are in better health than you were the day before!

    19

    Surely no one living in youthful, perfect health in the paradise earth will ever want to die. And nobody will need to die! Their receiving the benefits of the ransom sacrifice will mean at last enjoying God’s grand gift of "everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23) As the Bible says, Christ "must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing."—1 Corinthians 15:25, 26; Isaiah 25:8.

    20

    Even persons now dead will enjoy the paradise earth. They will return to life! So, at that time, instead of announcements of deaths, there will be joyful reports about those who have been resurrected. How wonderful to welcome back from the grave dead fathers, mothers, children and other loved ones! No funeral parlors, graveyards or tombstones will remain to spoil the beauty of the paradise earth.

    21

    Who will govern or direct activities on the paradise earth? All laws and instructions will come from the "new heavens" above. But on earth there will be faithful men appointed to see that these laws and instructions are carried out. Because these men represent the heavenly kingdom in a special way, the Bible calls them "princes." (Isaiah 32:1, 2; Psalm 45:16) Even in the Christian congregation today men are appointed by God’s holy spirit to care for and direct its activities. (Acts 20:28) After Armageddon we can be confident that Christ will see to it that the right men are appointed to represent the Kingdom government, for then he will be taking a direct hand in earth’s affairs. How can you show that you are eagerly awaiting God’s "new heavens" and "new earth"? By doing everything you can to meet the requirements for living in that righteous new system.—2 Peter 3:14.
  • LongHairGal
    LongHairGal

    I never entirely swallowed the concept of 'paradise' and laying around eating grapes and feeding lions. It did then and does now seem unreal to me.

    In any physical world, work has to be performed even if it is done in shifts. I think their paradise is just a hook or carrot to ensnare the gullible.

    LHG

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    Why do they keep printing this egregious crap?

    The word PARADISE in the Bible is NEVER NEVER NEVER used to refer to a place on earth.

    It is always in a heavenly context.

    The "Paradise Regained" book says that Eden was a garden, and that "paradise means a beautiful garden of park" - Therefore eden was the original paradise which will be restored to earth.

    When Jesus said "you will be with me in Paradise" did the thief think he meant on earth or heaven??

    HB

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