by Victor_E 37 Replies latest jw friends
It also many time a Witness does leave, but has nothing to replace a large void in their lives. Most imes this is more of the case than anything else.
The Wt creates a social envoriment if not relace most would go back. pure and simple.
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I have to throw my support in for the significance of loaded language with JWs. When I was having a talk with my witness friend I would interupt him every now and again to ask him to come up with another word instead of the one he was using ("imperfect" being the word he kept bringing up- I wonder why!!) When I asked him to use a different word instead it would momentarily stump him and you could actually detect a change from cult persona to individual persona while he struggled to come up with his own terminology. It was pretty amazing to watch. I can't say this enough...loaded language is a big deal! If you want to interupt a cult members foray into the fog, getting them to change their language, even momentarily, will be a good way to disengage their cult persona. I realize this sounds fairly dramatic but sitting back and watching the result of interupting their loaded language really hit home to me how important the cult lingo is in keeping people indoctrinated.
Hi Detective,
That was such a good point about the terminology one uses. Even in everyday life, the way we express ourselves influences our attitude: "I HATE that!" or "I get a little annoyed at that . . ."
But it has a more profound application with cult-speak. Thanks.
Pat
Victor,
1.For most of them the main reason they stay is a very limited ability to think.
2. That is the reason why they joined in the first place, if they did as adults.
3. Partially you can tell by the kind of jobs they have.
4. Some with good 'wordly' education dont stay too long
5 Even your reason number 10, fear, is due to ignorance, the result of... see number 1 above
6 even reading their own 'literature', (publications) and THINKING aboutit you will find eunough reason to get out.
I didn't stay, but I can tell you why my son stays. He has a nagging wife who browbeats him and will continue to beat him until he's had enough. Eventually he'll discover making her happy just isn't worth it.
<<Reason 9
They will not read objective opposing literature to form their own conclusions>>
Is there such a thing as "objective opposing literature?" :)
Alf3831
Sorry.
I came in rage when I read Victors stuff.
Its writing is typical psychologic/sociologic/political terminology and demagogy.
This type of defamation is currently used in some african and asiatic states to defame JW's and to bring them down and in troubles and depressions.
He writes >They in cold blood commit atrocities in shunning loved ones in the name of God...< ????
I have a son. He is 30 years old now. He is JW like me - but it was his free decision. If he would have not agreed with JW belief, then I would have accept it!! I never applied a tiny part of repression or coercion on him in all the years. Do you think I ever would have "shunned my love to him" in a "cold blood commit atrocities, in the name of God" ? Atrocity: that's such a language Victor have used...
I know that I am a griper in this forum. You soon will see me having enemies in all sides: JW's and ex-JW's and anti-JW's.
(Same happened in a German JW-forum..)
That doesn't touch me anyway.
Erich,
My replies to you are not a personal attack whatsoever. I am not in the position of playing either victim or rescuer and have no desire to be either. I do not judge others on their popularity either.
Therefore, may I ask, was your son born into the JW's? By that I mean was he raised as a JW from a baby, or very young child?
Naturally this may be personal and you may not wish to answer and that is your right.
Ana
Hi ladonna,
I came into the "truth" (a term that I hate..) in the seventies.
It was my free decision. I started studying the bible in 1973/74 after the Yom-Kippur-War. It took about 7 years to convince my wife.
I had to suffer under long-lasting persecutions through my relationship and my job-employer (who was JW in the fifties, but became an enemy of JW some years after). My father disinherited me - because he accused all JW's, to give all their money and income to the WTS..
My son began to start studying the bible at the age of seven. My whole family (me, my wife and my son) got baptized in 1984.
For the mobbing in the job went on and on, I terminated my employment in 1986 and began a free job as constructor, inventor and designer for electronic hardware. I am owner of some interesting patents and inventions; but it was a very very hard time with few money and poorness for me and my family.
Since last year I am retired now. I wrote an interesting book about my life. Further, I am still busy in scientific matters. I have an own web-page with thousands of visitors but I do not reveal the address to you at this time. Have comprehension please.
Erich;
I have a son. He is 30 years old now. He is JW like me - but it was his free decision. If he would have not agreed with JW belief, then I would have accept it!! I never applied a tiny part of repression or coercion on him in all the years.Erich; please read up on cults, or high control groups. Your concept of a free decision might actually be skewed; you may not have shunned him if he'd decided not to be a Witness, but, if he had been baptised, and then DA'd of DF'd, others would have. This is a fact. This means 'free decision' is not that free, as it has negative concequences!
You also discount the fact that he loves you, and wants to please you. Again, is his following your faith a 'free decision'?
You say you have never repressed or coerced him. That is comendable. But I doubt if you 'left it up to him', not really. You lead by example, he followed, divergence from this would be noted by you, even if it was a raised eyebrow or a reproving glance, or a lengthy pause. I once got a 57% payrise just by sitting there and saying nothing. I didn't coerce my boss actively, but passively.
But anyway, read some material on high control groups, then you can start to learn, until then you don't have the vocabulary and are just running scared, and making yourslef look silly. For example;
I know that I am a griper in this forum. You soon will see me having enemies in all sides: JW's and ex-JW's and anti-JW's.Wow. That's a very self-fufilling, egocentric little complex you got going there. Maybe you're just wrong most of the time! Oh, no, of course, you are reasonable and everyone else is wrong!!
(Same happened in a German JW-forum..)
People living in glass paradigms shouldn't throw stones...
