Coping With Witness Relatives Cult & Authentic Dual Personalities- Hassan (page 2)

Amha·aret

I've got Hassan's other book but think I'll have to add this one to my wish list also! In the meantime, thanks for the excerpts Flipper.

I've tried various things with the family and friends that are still in. I guess I always err on the side of caution though coz I don't want to push them to the point where they won't talk to me. If hubby Gladring is there we end up almost doing a good cop/bad cop scenario on the person where he pushes them a bit to get them to think and I try to be the more respectful/compassionate one.

One thing that has had limited success is to ask them why they are upset that I am no longer an active witness. Usually they won't get specific but the underlying fear of me, gladring and our child dying at Armageddon is usually the cause. So i ask them straight out, Are you afraid we're going to die at Armageddon? Most often they wont give a yes or no answer but say something that I translate as a vague yes. So I explain that I'm not afraid of that happening and that if god is loving then he will see in my heart that i was stumbled by what the wts did (UN/blood/child molesters/dishonest quotes, etc) and that my motives were pure and that I didn't leave to pursue an immoral lifestyle or because of laziness or selfishness. I feel that this way tackles their wts-based assumptions head on and hopefully they realise that those notions aren't true. Not everyone who leaves ends up in the mire or having their eyes pecked out by the birdies post-tribulation. Even if they dont change much after that conversation, it does seem to alleviate the pain/fear/upset they had been dealing with and it encourages more openness and honesty also.

cognizant dissident

Hey Tyrone:

I agree with most of what you say, and I do agree that evil exists, but I think it is something that all of us have the capacity for at times just as we do goodness. I also separate these concepts from any notions of crime or sin. I see evil as behaviour that is harmful to ourselves or others and goodness as behaviour that is beneficial to ourselves or others, no more or no less. I think there is also intentional harm and unintentional harm. It's true, the friend who steals your rent money and lies about it may be a sociopath, or he may just be desperate and at the time thinking only of himself. That does not mean he is not also capable of doing good things at other times and may not have done you a good turn in the past or may yet in the future.

That doesn't mean I'm against society doing a harm/benefit cost analysis and taking out the psychopathic murders and kiddie rapists! Good riddance to bad rubbish I say.

Cog

Hope4Others

I tried buying releasing the Bonds thru Chapters indigo.....what a hot seller...all out completely...

lucky me got it through freeminds...lol hope to see it soon, I really want to see the section that he talks

about jw's....I was hoping to chat with you before I got it but I can see you are really liking it....by the way I

did call earlier this week...

flipper

Thanks for all the great comments ! Wow ! Some heavy thinking people here. You are all so intelligent ! Good points- all of you. Been working on tons of jobs ! So I'll respond now, finally !

SAMMIE's WIFE- I agree with what you say. Some raised in the witness cult have a harder time separating from the cult and starting a new life being authentic. Very true if they have negative experiences they will leave the witnesses more.

The shunning as you mentioned does hinder any authentic interaction between an ex-witness and witness relatives. But Steve Hassan mentions to even send a short letter once a week or twice a month to our cult relatives - even if we get no answer back ! The reason for that ? Because then they see and havi it affirmed into their minds that we as parents or relatives " outside the witnesses " still have authentic caring for them. It works as a good thing to cause cognizant dissenence in them because they are told that nobody outside the cult is good or does anything good to others. So by writing them - it shows them different. It may take months or even years - but they will still see we as ex-witnesses care.

OTWO- Very true . Everybody has an authentic personality - whether they are born-in the witnesses or not. You are right the born-ins have trouble developing their authentic personality more so than those not raised in the witnesses. As you say - one thing that can push the witnesses to leave the cult is seeing and experiencing injustices while in. It's what made me leave the witnesses. Most people recognize injustices.

COGNIZANT DISSIDENT- I think Hassan's ideas parallel yours, yes. It is true that an authentic part of us always see's the injustice with the witnesses. I was raised in it from birth also Cog - just like you. I agree with you that those of us that get out aren't any better - we just have more courage and independence to face things honestly and speak out. Good points by you.

TYRONE VAN LEYEN- Hello Tyrone ! Good to hear from you ! Good points you make. I agree with you and Cog in that we all choose what kind of person we want to be. People are different and you are right - different people react differently to being oppressed and suffering unjust treatment. Some people get angry and stay resentful the rest of their lives , while some make lemonade and become more compassionate and understand things more. Good points.

ANTI-CHRIST- Wow ! So sorry to see that your mother in law is so controlled and unhappy in the witness cult. It's amazing how people open up with a drink or two. I hope she gets out of it some day.

MAD GIANT- Glad you liked the info !

PASSWORD PROTECTED- Glad you are enjoying the info on this thread !

AMHAARET- I agree to err on the side of caution when helping witness relatives so we keep the door open in communication to them. Show compassion and respect and hope we get it in return. That is a good way you have in talking with your relatives . Good approach.

HOPE 4 OTHERS- I'm glad you ordered this book. I think it's better than his first book. We are enjoying reading it. Mrs. Flipper and I are on about page 220 now . I will call you and talk about some of the things in it if you'd like to hear what I have learned ? Good to hear from you

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