NEWFLASH!!!! I'm Korah!!! (news to me at least)

by ashitaka 14 Replies latest jw friends

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  ashitaka

  My father called me last nite telling me that I was Korah. Always nice to start off a conversation with. Then for an hour we tried convincing each other we were right. Neither side won, I think.

  I pretty much told him my 'apostate' views on everything, and that if people didn't like it, that they could sit and spin. At the end, he sounded really sad, but not angry, which is really strange.

  This is the same conversation that he apoloized to me about my brother's abuse in....a very strange conversation.

  He said something really interesting that stuck, "I always did what was right and YOU GUYS..."

  I stopped him and told him that was his and all JW's problem. People don't have a problem with their belief structure, but with the religious egotism-"I am doing what's right...and YOU......."

  I told him he would lose his family if he kept on regarding them with contempt for using their heads, and not fear to rules their lives.

  The conversation meant alot, but accomplished little, know what I mean?
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  mindfield

  Good for you ashi.. you told him your viewpoints, how you felt, and most important, you were sincere. That's what love is all about, ain't it?

  I can totally understand the "sad but not angry" part. my parents reacted almost exactly the same way when I told them I wouldn't go to the KH anymore. JW's do realize that not everyone will agree with them, which is (at least to them)sad, but being angry won't change anything.

  Sympathize with you! Be strong!
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  Billygoat

  Ashi - please believe me when I say I understand. The last several months have been eye-opening to say the least. I know how hard it is to see their actions and words not match up...and when we point that out, the anger flares. Upon reading your past posts, I have a feeling that your dad and mine are very similar and our experiences growing up were very similar. For that I'm sorry. I hate the idea that someone else went/is going through what I've been through.

  Good for you for standing up to him. You probably don't feel strong, but you sure show that you are. And standing up to them is the hardest part because we risk losing so much for voicing our "apostate" views.

  You're in my thoughts...

  Andi
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  ashitaka

  Gracias, guys.

  Still weirded out by it.

  A elder and "anointed" put the word Korah in his head, but I', sure he was itching to repeat it.

  ashi
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  zerubberballz

  Congratulations ashitika,

  you've just entered a new relationship with your father. my father in law and other jw friends treat me with surprising cander now they know i'm not a watchtower stooge. They even tell me things i'd rather not know about thier personal lives and desires etc (like now i'm not a jw i have no moral restraint .. it ain't true i tell ya! I still wouldn't rape Kent Steinhaug with a barge pole even if he asked me nicely and promised chocolate ;)

  Seriously ashi, this could be the start of something new between you and the old boy, i'm not saying he'll ever see sense or change his ways, but by comming out you've changed the inter-personal dynamics and there may be more surprises in store.

  best wishes unclebruce

  PS: My jw mother and sisters use me as a father confessor .. i guess spending all that time in the kingdom hall bottling up factory means they need to pop a cork with someone.. lol.
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  OUTLAW

  Ashi,mindfield,billygoat,it seems like we pay a very high price for the right to speak our mind,and we do.When your own family turns on you it sucks,big time.Jws demand their own freedom to speak their mind and will fight anyone tooth and nail for that right.Yet they persecute anyone else who wants the same right.Self rightious hypocrates to the core everyone of them.You are strong people and as time gos on,it will still hurt,but you will be able to deal with it better..MERRY CHRISTMAS...OUTLAW
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  Andee

  I agree with UB.

  Ashi,
  
  It's whole new ball game with your Dad and he knows it. I remember the first time I stood up to my Dad. Not arguing with him, I just put my foot down. I remember he just wasn't sure how to act with me.
  As if for the first time, I was looking him square in the eye. He saw me as an adult, not his child that he could manipulate. He didn't have power over me anymore.

  I was talking with my younger sister last week. My Dad has some serious health problems. He calls her, so she will tell me. Why? I wondered. Why not tell me directly? My sister tells me "because he is intimidated by you".

  What a turn around! A man that I was terrified of all of my childhood, now is intimidated by me. Go figure.

  Andee
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  rem

  Ashi,

  Ah, the Korah comparison. I wonder if the drama at the district convention this year had anything to do with that comparison? It was pretty obvious (it was about Korah) that JW's are to put the organization above their family ties. It made me sick - and even irritated my JW co-worker. Blatant propaganda and mind control. So blatantly obvious that hardly anyone noticed.

  But the costumes were great! ;)

  rem

  "We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking." - Mark Twain
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  more2C

  ((((Ashi))))

  So happy for you that you found the courage to speak up to your dad. My JW parent knows that I don't always agree with the Society and it's teachings. It's hard because I wish I could just open my parent's eyes force them to see the "truth" for what it really is. I just tell my parent little "tidbits" that I find out on this message board on how rotten the "truth" is. One of these days, I hope he will give up and stop going to meetings. The sad thing is he doesn't even realize the big guilt trip they are putting on him because the rest of the family isn't in the truth. I understand where you are coming from. Hang in there, you are not alone.

  more2C
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  LDH

  Rem,

  That Korah thing at the convention being so obvious everyone missed it?!?!

  Think "The Purloined Letter." When you hide shit in plain sight, no one will see it.

  Ash, I'm having my own family struggles. So you get called Korah, and I get called a Cow.

  Let's wait and see. Surely the 'twelve angry men' can do beter than that!

  Lisa