"Worldly" people are never really your friends.

by easyreader1970 14 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • easyreader1970
    easyreader1970

    The WBTS society teaches us that worldy people can never really be more than "associates", that they can never be your friends. If they seem like they are you friends, this is mere trickery and they are either out for something or they will cruelly hurt you in the end. This is what they teach, especially to young people who might be tempted to befriend someone in school.

    Now to tell people that it is best to associate with like-minded believers is one thing. It makes sense from a somewhat religious, isolationist standpoint and if they would say that being friends with "the world" might ptentially lead you away from "the truth", I might not have a tremendous problem with that. But to label all world friends as deceitful and dishonest, that seems to be a bit over the top. By doing this, they have demonized the very people they are supposed to be helping.

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  • Elsewhere
    Elsewhere

    If they seem like they are you friends, this is mere trickery and they are either out for something or they will cruelly hurt you in the end.

    Ironically this best describes the JWs.

  • blondie
    blondie

    The WTS also tells you that not everyone at the KH can be trusted either............

    A sister I knew was moving and everyone she asked (in sufficient advance time), had something else to do. She and I struggled with most of it but some was too big to get in the truck with just 2 of us. A non-jw neighbor had been watching and he and his grown son helped us with the rest. He said "where are the men in your church?" She was so embarrassed. He called a couple guys in his church and they came over to the new place and unloaded everything and set up the bed and the dining room table.

    That stuck in my mine for some time before I acted on what I had learned.

    Blondie

  • troubled mind
    troubled mind

    I was also told as a child never to trust my worldly grandparents . They don't love Jehovah and they will try to trick you into leaving your beliefs . One day they could even try to take you away from me (mother) so you have to learn to serve Jehovah on your own . Makes for warm fuzzy feelings doesn't it ?

    Paranoid thinking ........ahhh fond childhood memories

  • asilentone
    asilentone

    Blondie, you said WTS also tells you not everyone at the kh can be trusted either. I would like to see quotes of the Watchtower about that. Thanks!

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w03 2/15 pp. 26-27 Do Not Leave Your Child’s Heart to Chance! ***

    Even From Within the CongregationAn earthenware vessel may look finished, but unless it has been fired in the kiln, it may be vulnerable to the very liquids it is designed to hold. The Bible compares trials and difficulties to such a firing process, since they demonstrate what sort of people we really are. Of course, the Bible is speaking particularly of trials of our faith, but in a general way, the point is also valid as to other trials. (James 1:2-4) Surprisingly, some difficult trials young ones face may come from within the congregation.

    Although your teenage child appears to be in good spiritual health, inside he may be struggling with a divided heart. (1 Kings 18:21) For instance, Megan faced worldly ideas stemming from other youths who came to the Kingdom Hall:

    "I came under the influence of a group of young ones who saw Christianity as boring and as an obstacle to having fun. They said things like: ‘The minute I am 18, I will leave the truth,’ or ‘I can’t wait to get out.’ They shunned young ones who said anything to the contrary, calling them holy ones."

    It takes only one or two with a bad attitude to egg on the rest. Individuals in a group usually do what the majority does. Foolishness and bravado may trample on wisdom and decency. In many countries, there have been sad cases of Christian youths getting into trouble because they followed the crowd.

    Of course, teenagers need a certain amount of enjoyable association. How can you as a parent provide it? Give serious thought to their entertainment, and plan absorbing activities with the family or with a mixture of youths and adults. Get to know your child’s friends. Invite them for a meal, or spend an evening with them. (Romans 12:13) Encourage your child to pursue a wholesome activity, such as learning to play a musical instrument or mastering another language or a craft. To a large extent, he may be able to do this within the safe environment of the home.

    *** w00 5/1 p. 11 par. 13 Firmly Uphold Godly Teaching ***They avoided "bad associations" even within the Christian congregation in order to safeguard their spirituality.—1 Corinthians 15:33; 2 Timothy 2:20, 21.

    *** w97 7/15 p. 18 par. 16 Are You Pursuing Virtue? ***Naturally, we do not want to shun our spiritual brothers and sisters because they do not happen to agree with some purely personal view that we hold. (Matthew 7:4, 5; Romans 14:1-12) Nevertheless, caution is needed if some in the congregation engage in questionable conduct or display a bitter or complaining spirit. (2 Timothy 2:20-22) It is wise to stay close to those with whom we can enjoy "an interchange of encouragement." (Romans 1:11, 12) This will help us to pursue a virtuous course and remain on "the path of life."—Psalm 16:11.

    *** g93 12/22 pp. 26-27 Live a Double Life—Why Not? ***

    "Bad Associations"—Where?Such experiences highlight the truthfulness of the Christian apostle Paul’s words: "Bad associations spoil useful habits." (1 Corinthians 15:33) So if you associate with youths who do not respect your Bible-based values and morals, you can easily be drawn into their life-style. Interestingly, though, the apostle was not talking specifically about associating with unbelievers when he issued that warning. He was warning against associating with those within the Christian congregation who fail to uphold Christian teaching. (1 Corinthians 15:12) Similarly today, there may be youths associated with the congregation who do not adhere to or recommend proper Christian living. They can place subtle pressure upon you to lead a double life.

    Consider, again, Tammy, who admits that her parents are "very loving." She describes her father as "almost bubbling over with zeal, always talking about how Jehovah cares for us." He even serves in the congregation as an elder. How, then, was she misled? "Bad association within the congregation," she says. "Others would tell me about the fun they would have at different parties and about the drinking they were doing. Or they would talk about their boyfriends and how they would go out dancing after congregation meetings."

    *** w80 6/15 pp. 19-20 Harvesting Fruit Suitable for God’s Kingdom ***

    THE ELEMENT IN WHICH WE CULTIVATE TRAITS

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    Even in the Christian congregation there may be an environment or association that is spiritually not most helpful. Some who recently came out of the world and symbolized their dedication to God by water baptism may tend to bring into the congregation something that still clings to them—a measure of worldliness. Let us remember that it was to a Christian congregation that the apostle Paul wrote: "In my [previous] letter I wrote you to quit mixing in company with fornicators, . . . But now I am writing you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man."—1 Cor. 5:9-11.

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    Also, to the congregations in the Roman province of Galatia in Asia Minor, the same apostle wrote: "Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but he who is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit." (Gal. 6:7, 8) A professed Christian can be sowing to his fallen flesh by seeking to develop his personality qualities in a worldly environment that caters to his fallen flesh.

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    Today, in the congregation, do we gravitate toward members who still smack of worldliness? They regularly indulge in it and want to have the company of other members so as to feel a measure of justification for their frequent indulgence. Do we let our social environment or association inside the congregation hinder us in running well in the race for everlasting life? Do we allow congregation members who still incline to worldliness to persuade us into taking the same direction that they are taking, because it is so pleasing to our fallen flesh?

    16

    At first the effects of our indulgent course may not be distinguishable as to what kind of professed Christians we shall eventually turn out to be. This is so because the "ground" or environment in which we choose to circulate will bear fruit gradually. The "grass-blade" looks innocent to beholders, not dangerously hurtful. We sleep at night and rise up by day, and the growth of our personal traits moves forward relentlessly, just how we do not know. Our persistence in this free-and-easy, liberal course will lead to an inescapable result, namely, the fully matured growth of personal traits due to the environment that is like ground, in which we have allowed ourselves to be nurtured. Will what we harvest by thrusting in the sickle qualify us to meet the tests of the day of reckoning successfully?

    *** w80 6/15 p. 21 par. 22 Harvesting Fruit Suitable for God’s Kingdom ***Even inside the Christian congregation we can seek out social companionship with baptized persons who still cling to worldly things, but who feel no qualms of conscience about sneaking these into the congregation. Our Christian personality and conduct are sure to be affected by such infectious things.

  • Simon
    Simon

    It is amazing how the claim that the people to associate with at the KH are 'real' friends but everyone else isn't and yet they are willing to completely stop talking to you one day simply on the say-so of a window-cleaner in a suit.

    I am still learning the ropes outside of the WTS and it's taken me a while to maybe open up to people enough to make more friends. After the WTS experience of losing most of your friends an family overnight, trusting in people again can be a bit difficult and it's easy to hold back to avoid the potential of hurt again.

    I've been incredibly lucky to get to work with the nicest, friendliest people I've ever known and I'm sure they really are nice people but I wonder if my opinion is because I've simply never had real friends in the past, only 'associates' that went to the same club a few days a week.

    Life on the outside is good. Being sociable (with plenty of help) is awesome.

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    "Wholesome activities, like learning to play a musical instrument." But not the drums or guitar or keyboard; they're too rebellious and worldly. Not the violin or piano; that takes too long and will distract you from the field service.

  • flipper
    flipper

    EASYREADER- This is a false teaching the witnesses promote to keep their members trapped and fearful of leaving the JW cult. If they can " scare " people into thinking that they will hurt themselves by being trusting of ANY " worldly " ( can't believe I used that term ) person then they keep them controlled to staying in the witness organization and only associating with other witnesses.

    It's a total falsehood as there are many kind, loving, caring people out in this world non-witnesses who would give you the shirt off their backs to be a good friend and show total authentic caring for your family. Just another lie promoted by the WT society to keep people controlled

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    The truth is that the witlesses are not your true friends. All they want is more boasting session attendance and more field circus time.

    They will tell you that worldly people will scam you out of the "truth". How? They will tell the real truth, at least as it appears in the Bible, in context. You will check it, and it will check (or it will check out better than the Washtowel will). And that's the end of that belief system.

    Any belief system that is that wimpy that it needs people to be sequestered to protect it is not worth holding onto.

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