Question about how long Jesus 1000 year reign is?

by jwfacts 32 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    If jesus starts ruling in heaven before ruling on the earth, that would mean a period longer than 1000 yrs ruling heaven. I don't see anything in the revelation about a his rulership going past 1000 yrs, or being a split rulership, one on earht and another in heaven.

    S

  • yknot
    yknot
    Still doesn't answer the question as to what, exactly, he's been doing since 1914

    I agree with Hamilcarr........ in theory he and the angels are waiting for Jehovah's command.

    Maybe the sound of thunder is actually angels bowling........

    Ultimately this is what happens when men can't admit they were wrong. Thus the un-truth continues, twists, and turns like a demon avoiding exorcism.

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    Question about how long 1000 years is?

    I don't know how long a 1000 years could be.

    Maybe, 1000 years...I dunno.

  • lalliv01
    lalliv01

    Hello all.

    I'm thinking that JW's say that Jesus starting to rule in 1914 has to do with Jesus taking over the throne that was held by his forefather,David, and

    which was promised to him (David) forever. 2 SAM. 7:13: "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his Kingdom for ever.

    See also Acts 2:30: "Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins,according to the flesh,

    He would raise up Christ to sit on his throne."

    Who Christ is now ruling over now I'm not sure, I guess like David He rules over Israel, only in this case it would be "spiritual Israel." The thousand year

    reign is a different matter.

    OMG!! Am I preaching, Can I count this time? I'm sorry folks, just putting in my $0.02.

  • Jim_TX
    Jim_TX

    Welllllll... it depends on how long a 'year' is... when counting 1000 years. If one continues to count them - as they did to get from 607BC to 1914, 1000 years could be 360,000 or 365,000 years. (give or take - not counting leap years... some restrictions may apply... not available in all states... Alaska & Hawaii not included...)

    So, that means that Jesus is only about 100 days into his ruling here on earth... or... *head spinning*

    (tongue firmly planted in cheek)

    Regards,

    Jim TX

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    He's been reigning in the heavens, but, for the time being, not on the earth (1 John 5:19).

    Hamilcarr, that scripture was referring to Jesus day, not specifically only since 1914. You seem to be missing the point of the question. Yes, the Bible talks about a 1000 year reign, it just does not make sense with JW theology that Jesus started ruling in 1914 but we still see no effects of that rulership.

    There are some good answers. They show how a smattering of scripture can be taken to try to make up any doctrine.

    Yesidid - I was going to ask the same question. What are the resurrected ones of the "little flock" doing in heaven at the moment? Do they do any ruling, or wait till the 1000 year starts?

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    The short answer from the JW's point of view is that Rev 12 states there would be a gap, an interim, a "short period of time" between when Jesus receives the Kingdom, cleanses the heavens, resurrects the anointed, and then begins to administer the benefits of the ransom, when the 1,000 year reign is said to start.

    The problem is that the JW's put the enthronement at the beginning of this "short period of time" but do not let the 1,000 year period start until the end of that "short period of time" in Rev 12. At the most, they could try and state that the "short period of time" in Rev 12 is 3.5 years or 7 years maximum (some scriptures hint at this) but certainly the start of the "short period of time" could not be such a long period of time as 95 years and counting from 1914, with absolutely no hint of any action by Jesus towards the earth.

    The simple truth is of course that the 1,000 year period begins at the same time as Jesus receives kingship..they are simultaneous events, not split by a gap in time. And the simple truth is also that Jesus enthronement as King is yet a future event, not something that happened 95 years ago. It follows also that neither has Satan and the demons been ousted from heaven yet, neither have any of the anointed been resurrected to heaven yet, and neither have the 4 horsemen begun to ride. These are ALL future events!

    The JW's are false witnesses of Christ on this teaching, and publish a gross distortion of scripture. It is an absurd creed that is an embarrassment to them, and will continue to be more of an embarassment as time goes on...

    There is a whole catalogue of absurdities and contradictions (actually, e-watchman (Robert King) has been the best at exposing them all, even though he still believes the organisation is Jehovah's) which make it evident that Jesus never received rulership in any shape, form or manner in 1914, and here are just a few:

    1. If Jesus began ruling in 1914 then why is Satan still the "ruler of the world"? There is nothing in scripture whatsoever that states Jesus shares world rulership with Satan. How could Jesus sit on his throne of earthly rulership yet the "throne of the Wild Beast" is also allowed to remain, with the dragon (satan) giving authority to that throne. Ridiculous.
    2. If Jesus received "the Kingdom of the world" (Rev 11:15) in 1914 and when Jesus receives Kingdom power and Daniel 2:44 foretells that the Kingdom would crush the worlds kingdoms, why has the world and its kingdoms still carried on exactly the same since 1914...with the governments of the world still dominating, fighting, etc and the devil still controlling the world and it's kingdoms? Clearly, the political wild beasts still have sway and over the "Kingdom of the world" and satan still have the power to give and receive political authority as he wishes.
    3. If most of the anointed were resurrected in 1918/19 then what have they been doing for the last 95 years? What have they been judging, acting as priests towards, crushing with an iron sceptor? There is not the slightest scriptural indication that they would be in heaven doing nothing for a lengthy period of time before the 1,000 year reign starts proper.
    4. If Jesus said in 33CE that he would be with his disciples until the conclusion of the system of things (Matt 28) and he has been reigning in the "Kingdom of the son of his love" (a kingdom of his anointed brothers) since 33CE, then Jesus did not need to have become King in 1914 for the preaching "good news of the Kingdom" to all the nations to have been organised and published globally in fulfillment of Matt 24:14
    5. Jesus said no one knows the day and the hour (of his return as King), yet that is exactly what JW's say happened in 1914.
    6. Since 1995 The Watchtower has officially taught that both the thrones mentioned in Matthew 24 (rulership) and 25 (judgment) are not sat on by Jesus until the future, yet they still teach thatJesus became King in 1914. Absurd.
  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Excellent points YaddaYadda. You have really answered the question and showed why any answer the Watchtower gives is going to be wrong due to being based on a false premise of Jesus rulership starting in 1914.

  • hamilcarr
    hamilcarr

    The simple truth is of course that the 1,000 year period begins at the same time as Jesus receives kingship..they are simultaneous events, not split by a gap in time.

    Leaving aside JW's flawed chronology, Jesus cast Satan to the earth when he seized power (Re 12). In Re 20, Satan is hurled into the abyss after the start of the 1,000 year reign. So, it's possible to claim these are two different events, with a gap in time in between.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Hamilcarr, that is not what the Rev 12 actually says.

    (Revelation 12:5-9) 5 And she gave birth to a son, a male, who is to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was caught away to God and to his throne. 6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and sixty days. 7 And war broke out in heaven: Mi′cha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.

    Here the son is taken to heaven, whilst Michael battles the dragon. It does not say that Jesus starts to rule and then throws out Satan. You are assuming that the WTS is correct in saying that Michael is Jesus.

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