Eyebrow,
Thanks you for the compliment. Unfortunately, it is a very sick analogy. And even more unfortunately, the point it makes is true, esp. if one believes the JW version of the Bible.
Richard
Some one broke in my house yesterday
by rhett 25 Replies latest jw friends
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nytelecom1
Wow, you mean god's actually going to do something about the thousands of years of torture
yes...to learn why god has permitted suffering please contact me
or the nearest branch office of JW.Via the locked email address, or through the maxim web page
neither..through this board...how the hell would you contact me through maxims web page...nice try at humor though..You just link to one bad website (watchtower.org) to another (maxim)!
I have never linked to the official website of JW's...and I would hardly call maxims website bad..but i can understand if you dont have a sense of style.....you may consider it bad
Not quite sure if you've gone from bad to worse, though!Does the Watchtower own the maxim web site?
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TR
Excellent illustration, Rhett!
Nytelecockbreath,
We've been there, done that. Enough said.
TR
I'm gonna make mince meat outta that Osama!
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ISP
Good one Rhett!
ISP
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Mozzer4Life
Well, this is my first post. I have an association with one of the current memebers, who for now shall remain nameless. I only know a little about JW's and their beliefs, but have seen the harm that this religion causes. I have no agenda, just would like share my opinions and stir the pot a little. So, here goes...
This story makes for a great analogy, but there are problems comparing the actions of man to that of God, or a Higher Power.
Watching your kids be killed...well, yes, God does see a lot of people getting killed all the time, and yes, he could do something about it, but he is our Father, not our defender. He never promised to put a bubble around everyone of us and keep us from all harm. I mean, should we question whether God exists because we get a paper cut, or we fall and skin our knee? Would it be better if God protected us from any and all sorts of pain? I think if he did, we would all be rotten to the core and take everything for granted, kinda like those rich kids we all dislike. Mistakes are one of the greatest teaching tools. It works for me. Very simply put, God put us on the Earth and said have a ball, but remember who put you here and what awaits for those in the end who believe . We are humans, and humans do bad things, make mistakes and kill people. Not God's will, but our choice. Our bodies are dying, disease infested organisms. So, doesn't it make sense that God is mainly interested in our souls, the one thing that can't be killed by humans? If God did make a world where no one ever got hurt or killed, and everyone was happy and nothing went wrong, wouldn't that be Heaven...why yes it would."I smoke 'cause I'm hoping for an early death and I need to cling to something..." - Morrissey, What She Said
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SixofNine
welcome to the forum Mozzer. Please understand that I am totally sincere in what I am about to say.
A cupla hard questions right off the bat.
What the hell do you know about heaven?
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What is the comparison between a paper-cut and the brutal rape and torture, over a long period of time, of a small child? Or a baby being brought into a world w/o enough food, so that over the course of a few months, it dies, having never experienced any human need being satisfied? A small child sees it's mothers head cut off?
Those are the questions which, if you have a brain, should make you wonder whether or not God exist. Personally, I don't give a flying fuck if you skinned your knee. If however, my daughter skins her knee, I get pretty concerned. And while I am not personally father to any of those kids in any of the scenarios I posted above, I'm far more concerned about them than I am about your knees.
In fact, I'm racking my brain trying to figure out just where those kids will get the messege from God to "have a ball". I'm trying to figure out just how those kids are getting a chance to learn from mistakes.
What am I missing here?
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Billygoat
Mozzer - welcome to the board! You're brave for jumping into such a controversial issue right off the bat. I look forward to your future posts. Stop in chat sometime! BTW - I liked this point:
So, doesn't it make sense that God is mainly interested in our souls, the one thing that can't be killed by humans?
Hey Six...go easy on the newbie, sweetie! He's just stating his viewpoint. Don't make him feel like a dumba** because he has a different foundation for his beliefs.It's difficult to agree on these type of topics when Christians have faith as the basis of their beliefs and athiests/agnostics don't believe in guidance from a Higher Power. But as a Christian, I understand what Mozzer is saying. God doesn't protect humans from all ills of the world...even a Christian believing in the bible realizes that. I think expecting God to protect us all the time would mean we are willing to give up our free will. I've done that once as a dub and don't plan on doing that again. I believe that God doesn't expect that.
I don't believe that God will protect me from skinning my knees or being raped. I was raped when I was 14 and I wasn't sent a savior knocking the door down to protect me. I do believe that I was a victim of a crime of man. Not a crime of God. I don't blame God for my rape. I blame my rapist. Could God have done something about it? Perhaps...but I know that my rape is one of the most strengthening things I've ever experienced. A horrible crime I don't wish to relive yes, but without the experience I can't say I'd be such a strong person.
Just my two cents...
Andi
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julien
Rhett,
don't forget to be a truly great father you need to murder all neighbor kids and their pregnant moms if they don't also acknowlege you to be a great father. Make sure to save the virgin girls for your sons though.
You could also test your kids by commanding one to murder another one, then at the last minute say "JUST TESTING!!"; also I have heard that letting your virgin daughters be raped to save men who can defend themselves anyway is highly regarded.what bullshit
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Mozzer4Life
SixofNine -
As for your first question, my knowledge of Heaven is based on a book that I presume you believe is false or a misrepresentaion, so the point is mute. Moving on...
Rape is much worse than skinning ones knee. Murder is much worse than getting hit with a baseball, but they all fall into the category of pain and suffering, which I believe was the question. It is my belief that God allows pain and suffering, and the right to make our own choices, which is what the murderer down the street did. It's really all on who you blame, for me it's man. If John Doe had a gun with one bullet, and faced God and the man who just murdered and raped his kids, and he had to shoot somebody, who should it be? I say shoot the man, then beat him with the butt of the gun, then forgive him!!!"I smoke 'cause I'm hoping for an early death and I need to cling to something..." - Morrissey, What She Said
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SixofNine
Mozzer4Life
Yes, I do believe that book to be false. It certainly doesn't paint a very kind picture of God. Also, I can't find one shred of evidence for it having supernatural origin. God knows I've looked. As for it being a moot point, what does the bible teach you about heaven?
Here is my problem with your analogy. Yes, "Rape is much worse than skinning ones knee. Murder is much worse than getting hit with a baseball" and yes, being pedantic, "...they all fall into the category of pain and suffering." But on the scale of pain and suffering, they are so far removed from each other that they may as well not be called the same things. For they are NOT the same things at all. To compare them is to be trite and even flippant. Flippancy bothers me when we are discussing the horrors that happen to people in this world.
What should we believe? That to appreciate my daughter's relatively innocent carefree existence, it's a good thing that kids/people are suffering elsewhere? Can't have good w/o bad? I ain't buying it.
Andi, I guess this is one of those topics that I get passionate about. I wonder, for you, do you think that using "father" is just not a proper analogy for "God"? At least father in the sense that we think of a father?
I guess I think "free will" was a pretty important concept for christians 100 years ago, when so few had much of it, or even believed that they should have it, but now, it seems a bit over worn. It seems to me that only free people have free will, and even that has limitations. Those kids I spoke of, they did not have free will - not in any reasonable sense of the words.
At the end of the day, believers in God, agnostics and atheist can all agree that the even bigger question is not "why?", but "what are we gonna do about it?". That is, provided they don't come to some interpretation of their holy book that basically says "do nothing" or worse, "do evil".