Doing the best I can on the Global Warming... (page 2)

hemp lover

As Kudra has already told you on the other thread, scientists never called it global warming. That was the media.

SixofNine

Not sure how wording it one way or the other "makes it a whole new ballgame". In fact, it doesn't. Scientific facts don't change simply because you change the label of the basic field of study.

coffee_black

Hemplover said

As Kudra has already told you on the other thread, scientists never called it global warming. That was the media.

Yes they did. See link below

http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone... ie: JWs ... "The Watchtower never said that Armageddon was coming in 1975 but some witnesses became over zealous"

Gregor...be careful, the Global Warming... er... Climate Change elders have arrived to "adjust your thinking" Now, repeat after me... I believe in Global Warming...oh wait...I believe in Climate Change (TM)... I believe in Climate Change (TM)....I believe in Climate Change (TM)... There will be more elders along shortly to "help" you...

Remember... only when you follow the FDS oops er...scientists who believe in Climate Change (TM) (after all they are the only real scientists) can you hope to do your part to save the planet. They, and only they, have the answers.

Coffee

SixofNine

Why does it matter what it is called, Coffee Black?

Aren't the Jehovahs Witnesses the people who ignore and even belittle (like yourself and Gregor) science (and along with it with the broader population who respect science), and go with their gut feelings, following a small cadre of kooky "authorities" who obfuscate facts to decieve their followers (you and gregor)?

Why is it that you believe that a scientific fact wrt planet earth: that ghg's warm the planet, will somehow stop being in effect if you add massive, never seen before quantities of those same ghg's to earth's atmosphere. How does that work? Enquiring minds want to know.

daniel-p

There's nothing more pathetic than proud ignorance.

Gregor

"There's nothing more pathetic than proud ignorance." (D.P.)

Don't be so hard on yourself, everybody can get sucked into media hyped popular movements. It's just that nobody expected it to start coming unraveled so soon (the 'real' inconvenient truth). The real test of character and intelligence is to aknowledge you were duped and say "no mas!". That's something a lot of us XJWs have already learned.

Six, "what does it matter what it is called..." Meaning "Global Warming" vs "Global Climate Change". Let me take a moment of my valuable time to explain it to you. When you go to a casino and put a chip on red you have a 50/50 chance of winning or losing. If you put a chip on red and black you can't lose or win. If you have convinced a naive sponsor to back you then you crow about the wins and and ignore the losses...and the charade goes on...

hamilcarr

The GlblWrming crowd is getting blind sided by mother nature and real scientific data and just like that other phoney religion they are going to see how far they can stretch their followers deeply felt belief in the story they have cooked up.

Maybe you could let your real scientific data peer review.

coffee_black

I posted this by mistake on another thread, when I meant to post it here... having server problems...

Now…see, there you go sixy making assumptions. I’m not one to formulate opinions based on feelings. You don’t know me. As a member of USGBC (United States Green Building Council) I actually teach seminars to Architects about LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) (and other architectural topics). I’m scheduled to teach a class of Architectural students this year at Harvard on LEED. I respect science, but I also know that not all scientists agree. I know a fair number of them.

There is a big difference between “global warming and climate change…it’s their “new light” on the subject. The term “climate change” enables advocates of global warming to now have it both ways… if it warms up…see we were right! If it gets colder….see we were right! The temperature of the earth has been changing since the beginning…long before humans inhabited it. The earth has seen several ice ages as well as warming periods that are caused by forces far more powerful that cows farting and car emissions. I may not be an expert on the subject, but I have common sense…and independent thinking. Having been in a cult once in my life, I recognize the signs…and I see them clearly here. Not falling for another apoocalyptical mindset....ever.

Not all scientists agree with the global warming/climate change movement. A little over a year ago I had a brief email exchange with Richard Lindzen, who is a professor at MIT on the subject. I posted it on the forum on another thread on this subject back then. I have omitted his email address as well as my own for privacy, but feel free to google him.

From:

Richard S. Lindzen)

Sent:

Fri 12/28/07 4:32 PM

To:

debbie shard ()

Dear Debbie,

As you say, one can usually spot a cult when you see it.

However, pinning things down more concretely is a bit more difficult. Personally, I suspect that the distinction between a cult and a religion is intrinsically fuzzy, and, as a more or less religious individual, I don't think that religion per se is bad.

For example, the founding fathers of the US were commonly deists. They strongly believed (consistent with the Pentateuch) that an infinitely superior G-d who was unknowable by man was an important defense against the claims of human tyrannies. I share this view.

That said, religion is generally characterized by beliefs that are not subject to empirical or logical proof; ie, it is a matter of faith. As a rule, these beliefs serve a variety of purposes. Thus, for many, their religious beliefs constitute an heritage held in common with ancestors and community. If these beliefs encourage generosity and compassion for others, then they are a force for good. I suspect that religion turns into cult when the purposes become very specific and exclusionary. Thus a religion that promises wealth to the believer, and pain and suffering to the non-believer is heading in the direction of cult.

With respect to environmental issues in general and global warming in particular, the transition to religion takes place when a person who is ignorant of the actual science not only believes alarming claims that he or she does not understand, but when that individual wants to believe these claims. The question then arises as to why someone would want to believe such claims. For some, it would appear that the answer is that they have been assured that all scientists agree with such claims. The very thought that all scientists in an immature science like climate all agree on anything (much less with all the numerous unrelated claims) is beyond belief. Nevertheless, for individuals who feel at sea when confronting science that they don't understand at all, it must be reassuring to think that by consenting to the line on global warming, they are safe because all scientists agree. Indeed, they immediately feel intellectually superior to all those who question the claims of global warming. In addition, people are told (quite falsely) that simple gestures like switching to fluorescent bulbs are tantamount to saving the earth. This brings god-like significance to otherwise ordinary lives. The combination of god-like significance attaching to trivial gestures and the feeling of superiority to others is quite a powerful combination. It further offers the opportunity and pleasure of condemning others, and forcing them to change their ways. By this time, one is well on one's way to a cult. For Hollywood types, moreover, belief in global warming offers redemption for dissolute and extravagant life styles.As with all cults, global warming hysteria, is also subject to cynical exploitation. Hedge funds stand ready to make billions out of trading carbon credits. Snake oil salesmen can know offer carbon offsets to the unwary. Etc. Etc. My hope is that the global warming hysteria comes to an end before too much pain, suffering, and conflict occurs.

Best wishes for 2008,

Dick

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Now if the global warming craze hadn't been losing credibility, then why do you think they changed the name?

Coffee

Bubblie

Call it what you want. I like what a guy on Bill Maher called it Global Weirding. I am going to hear Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. speak tonight. His topics are "Its Not Easy Being Green" and "Crimes Against Nature." I saw a film last night called The 11th Hour all about the change in the weather and if it can be reversed. Can you tell I just joined a Green group? Takes me back to my hippie days.

Kit

inkling

Fuck the polar bears.

I have a message fr the National Polar Bear Coalition:

"No, fuck YOU".

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