Should women be allowed to have 14 kids without job?

by sammielee24 280 Replies latest jw friends

  • llbh
    llbh

    By nanny i mean someone who thinks that they have some one's best interest at heart, without even considering that person; sort of 'mum knows best'. Patronising, which many - you excluded, are here.

    No one here has answered my assertion, that "if this woman IS ill, the conjecture she is exposed to is wholly counterproductive, if she is not why are we worried?"

    Sad about the Guardian, i like The Independent newspaper.

    Regards David

  • Mary
    Mary
    Cog Dis said: Mary: My comment above was tongue and cheek and meant to be a humorous response to Independent Tre's previous post.....I guess if I have to explain my sense of humor in this much detail, either I'm not as funny as I think I am, or you are just taking this thread way too seriously. I'm guessing it's the latter.

    I'm guessing it's the former as I thought you were dead serious when you made that comment, so my apologies for misunderstanding. Free Smiley Face

    We obviously all have different opinions on this, which actually surprises me. To me, it's just plain common sense that this woman has acted very irresponsibly in having all these kids, as did the idiot of a doctor who helped her do this. Sorry, but having 14 kids when you're a single mother, living with your own mother in a small house is ridiculous and not what I would call 'responsible parenting'. Her own mother thinks she's nuts for having all these kids and clearly the woman needs professional help.

    And like so many others who royally screw their lives up in plain view for all the world to see, she'll probably end up doing a self-justifying book most likely with the title "My Story", and make some quick easy cash and hopefully, fade into oblivion.

  • dinah
    dinah

    Just saw something about an interview with her on the news this morning. She said something about wanting a large family because she was an only child and felt isolated.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    And having 14 kids was to take care of that isolation? Oh wow, the kids won't be isolated but as a single parent she's only further isolated herself. Being a mom can be one of the loneliest jobs, especially if you're a SAHM, unless you have a great support system: spouse, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and friends. Her father has already left the country to make money to support the ever growing brood and her mother is audi when the new babies finally come home. The eight babies may have been an accident (I really don't believe that but my opinion really doesn't mean much) and I don't think this woman thought any of this out.

    I feel sorry for her and sorrier for the children.

  • quietlyleaving
    quietlyleaving

    By nanny i mean someone who thinks that they have some one's best interest at heart, without even considering that person; sort of 'mum knows best'. Patronising, which many - you excluded, are here.

    No one here has answered my assertion, that "if this woman IS ill, the conjecture she is exposed to is wholly counterproductive, if she is not why are we worried?"

    Sad about the Guardian, i like The Independent newspaper.

    Regards David

    thanks for explaining.

    There seems to be more info coming out that Nadya Suleman got injured at work sometime in 1999 (according to sammieswifes' newspaper extract on page 10) and hasn't been the same since.

  • watson
    watson

    Enjoyed seeing her interview with Anne Curry this AM. It will be interesting as time goes on, to get to know this girl. She seems independant, strong, attractive. Plus, it looks like she's "had work done." Some lip enhancement and a nose job. This may point to some vanity/selfishness issues. Maybe she knew she would be in the national spot light.....

  • dinah
    dinah

    I am an only child. Mom wanted another one, Dad didn't and I guess he won. I musta been a holy terror or something.

    Even people with large families aren't dealing with that many newborns at once.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    She is cute. Maybe she can find a sugar daddy to help support those kids

  • watson
    watson

    I think she's a very clever girl.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    The title of this thread says it all. How many children will we as a society ALLOW women to have. We will make the choice for her. We will judge whether she should be married or not, whether sperm donation is acceptable to us or not. It is not enough that we can make that choice for ourselves. We want to force our moral values and choices on to others whether they share them or not. If you want six children and the rest of us decide that two is the ideal number then two it shall be!

    The title should be kept in context. The question was about the ethics around the rights of an individual to continue to have children without first having the independent resources to provide for them - and specifically in cases like this where there is no natural pregnancy ie: a person who seeks to become pregnant by artificial means and then makes a determination to act on their wishes regardless of their ability to provide for the results of that pregnancy.

    The question is not whether or not she is married. The question isn't related to religious values. It's a question put up against societal values and the value of life in regards to the majority and not the minority.

    Shouldn't we question these things? If this were an Andrea Yates type of scenario and the woman had severe post partum psychosis previous to implantation and nobody uttered a word or a concern and the results were the same as in the Yates case - do we accept any responsibility if we say nothing? I personally would rather have people screened and regulated before these procedures are done because I would rather one woman be declined IVF if it meant her kids weren't victims of violence and death later. I'm not saying that this woman is in the same position - I am questioning the ethics over the process overall if we know that death or disability occurs in over 50% of these cases and what part we all play if we don't question.

    This woman was on disability for a back problem and yet purposely got herself pregnant 6 times while on funds for that. It does raise questions and for those on disability who have to fight for any help, I can assure you they are cringing and angry. So should society have a say in women being ALLOWED to have 14 children without a job and while on government disability funding or other government funds? Most certainly since those programs are set up and paid for collectively by society to assist those who need it. sammieswife.

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